Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Garson

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Not finding any WP:RS to establish notability for WP:NAUTHOR. And there isn't much of anything at his own bio site to help with that [http://www.paulgarsonproductions.com/biography.html]. The page claims that there were favorable reviews for his book in the NYPost and Chicago Tribune, but I couldn't find them. Even if so, it seems like the book itself has a better claim to notability than the author. Right now the best we have are some very local Palm Beach 'hometown boy' kind of articles. Theredproject (talk) 14:02, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

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• Delete Sources do not establish notability.104.163.158.37 (talk) 01:51, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
• Keep Notable. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 13:13, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
• Keep - Notable per [https://books.google.com/books?id=L25ycEzuXxIC&pg=PA909&dq=%22Paul+Garson%22+1946&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQo9aYybzaAhXIpY8KHf1uCrcQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=%22Paul%20Garson%22%201946&f=false this page]. Rzvas (talk) 15:18, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

::Pinging {{u|DGG}}, {{u|Vexations}} for their independent experienced opinion. Does this book linked above Science Fiction and Fantasy Literature, A Checklist, 1700-1974, Volume Two of Two, contains Contemporary Science Fiction Authors II. which was publised by Wildside Press a Print on Demand publisher which has published over 10,000 books since 1989, constitute the kind of source which automatically establishes notability? Theredproject (talk) 20:14, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

::: I have argued in the past that, generally speaking, we ought have an article if another encyclopedic work has one. WP:NBIO says that someone is likely to be notable if "The person has an entry in the Dictionary of National Biography or similar publication." It depends on whether you think {{Cite book|url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=L25ycEzuXxIC|title=Science Fiction and Fantasy Literature|last=Reginald|first=R.|date=September 2010|publisher=Wildside Press LLC|year=|isbn=9780941028776|location=|pages=|language=en}} is a biographical dictionary that is sufficiently similar to the Dictionary of National Biography. One thing I often do is look at how many times a source has been used in other articles. A quick search for "Science Fiction and Fantasy Literature R. Reginald" finds 54 matches. That's an indication that there is consensus that it's decent source. As to whether that source establishes notability, I don't think so, because there is no critical analysis, just factoids, and I see only two working citations on the page that don't provide significant coverage either. I struggled to find independent sources on Garson, but mostly because he appears to have written a lot of about himself. One way to answer the question of notability is to ask if the sources provide enough material to build a comprehensive article. Does "Science Fiction and Fantasy Literature" do that? No, not by itself. Vexations (talk) 21:02, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

::::I agree with {{U|Vexation}}. An additional encyclopedic work useful for this purpose is Gale's Contemporary Authors available online at major public libraries as Literature Reference Center. DGG ( talk ) 01:12, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

::::: I have access to Gale's Biography In Context via the Wikipedia library. They source Contemporary Authors Online. 2007. This link may not work for everyone, but they have [http://go.galegroup.com/ps/retrieve.do?tabID=Biographies&resultListType=RESULT_LIST&searchResultsType=SingleTab&searchType=PersonSearchForm¤tPosition=1&docId=GALE%7CH1000035493&docType=Biography&sort=Relevance&contentSegment=&prodId=BIC&contentSet=GALE%7CH1000035493&searchId=R1&userGroupName=wikipedia&inPS=true this] It looks to be enough for at least a stub or a start-class article. Vexations (talk) 01:20, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

:::::: {{u|DGG}}, {{u|Vexations}} ok, so it sounds like consensus is that Gale's Authors constitutes a golden ticket to notability. I am going to wait roughtly 24 hours (to give you a chance to respond in case I'm misunderstanding you all) and then withdraw the nomination per [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#Procedure_for_non-administrator_close_(nominator_withdrawal)]. Theredproject (talk) 20:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

::::::: If {{u|104.163.158.37}} agrees, I think that can work. Nominator withdrawal says that you can, if all other viewpoints expressed were for Keep and doing so does not short-circuit an ongoing discussion. I suspect that IP would have agreed had they known about the Biography In Context source. Otherwise I'd just let an uninvolved admin close it. Vexations (talk) 20:36, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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