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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Lampathakis

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I am persuaded by the arguments regarding WP:BLP1E and WP:NOT#NEWS. I note that the subject is a relatively unknown person and that the original author, who is presumably the subject, has blanked the page of the article, thereby signifying a wish for it to be deleted, and I take that into account also per the deletion guidelines. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

=[[Paul Lampathakis]]=

:{{la|Paul Lampathakis}} ([{{fullurl:Paul Lampathakis|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Lampathakis}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

Main issue is WP:BLP1E. WP:COI and lack of referencing are concerns also. –Moondyne 07:15, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. —–Moondyne 07:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. "In 2008, Lampathakis won the political reporting category of the Western Australian Media Awards" If the whole jail threat is given undue weight that can be solved by editing. COI is not a valid reason for deletion. - Mgm|(talk) 09:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Hmmm. I don't see that winning a local media award makes him notable, that'd be more something I'd see on his CV. I repeat, BLP1e: "The bare fact that someone has been in the news does not in itself imply that they should be the subject of an encyclopedia entry.", and "Cover the event, not the person." This article is a blatant attempt at self-promotion after the subject found himself the target of a police raid. In fact, from what I recall of the event the raid was more focussed on the premises of the newspaper rather that the journalist—as far as I know his home wasn't even raided. The raid was notable, and is mentioned and referenced here –Moondyne 09:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

::I admit that Lampathakis was named by the police in the raid as a person of specific interest following publication of an article by him, but other areas of the paper's offices were also searched, as well as other staff leaving the building. Also, he was described in the ABC article as "the editor and senior journalist".[http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/01/2232140.htm] This was reported incorrectly — Sam Wier is the editor and Lampathakis is more usually described as "a journalist". –Moondyne 05:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep. Its relevant to a significant issue of press freedom in Australia.--IdiotSavant (talk) 05:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Against WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:BLP1E. The entire coverage of the person, including the said award (which itself has no news coverage [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=%22Western+Australian+Media+Awards%22]) is purely local and is covered by no more than 3 or 4 major sources, all Australian. The person also fails notability as a journalist. LeaveSleaves talk 15:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
  • The search should have been on WA Media Awards, the sources are not "purely local", and major sources (even Australian ones!) can establish notability. Doing his 'job' does not establish notability, but enough references in similar sources may do so; making news doesn't, but making the news may do. I made a minor [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Lampathakis&diff=259502033&oldid=258346897 change] to the article. 10:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Mizu onna sango15Hello! 00:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep--More than "routine news coverage"(WP:NOT#NEWS). Notability established by [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=Paul+Lampathakis&ie=UTF-8 major sources] in Australia , and the WA Media Awards. --Jmundo (talk) 07:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. As stated above, this article is relevant to a significant issue of press freedom in Australia. Kamelblm (talk) 23:15, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

::Wouldn't that then go in a section under The Sunday Times, as that's where most would be likely to look? On looking at The Sunday Times I see a section entitled "Recent events" which seems to be the place for this. Orderinchaos 08:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

  • The event is notable, and the nominator has linked where that is noted: Sunday Times#recent events. Mention of the notability of Lampathakis, even to the one event, is not established; I attempted to find a reliable source that would, but did not succeed.

:The ABC article only mentions that he wrote the story, with the correct[ed] description 'journalist', and not that this was exceptional. There have been no improvements to the article since my edit last year, and no source presented there has established the article's accordance with WP:BLP1E. - cygnis insignis 08:24, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete as not notable (as opposed to the event), BLP1E and not news, per nominator. To the person above citing Google news hits for the name, the vast majority of those 84 hits are articles by this reporter, not about him. All working journalists will have a ton of Google news hits for their name, it doesn't establish notability in itself. Sarah 05:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete as not notable, BLP1E etc. He was only notable for the one event, he wasn't a lead writer or anything and very little is known about him besides where he works and this incident. Journalists creating articles on themselves is a bit of a worrying phenomenon, too... Orderinchaos 08:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

:: I had to remove about half of the article which was straight quotes from the Australian news article. It should be noted that The Sunday Times (aka PerthNow) reporting on one of its own journalists cannot be considered to be an independent source, whilst both The Australian and The Sunday Times are News Ltd papers which share resources. Orderinchaos 08:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.