Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Penn Kimball

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WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Prod declined due to obits, but there doesn't seem to be much on him before then. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:07, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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• Speedy Keep - Clear GNG pass. Here's a quick tip for future reference: if there is an obituary in the Washington Post or the New York Times, the subject is notable. Carrite (talk) 03:40, 9 December 2013 (UTC) Last edit: Carrite (talk) 03:43, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

:: ...And when there are obituaries in BOTH the [http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/penn-kimball-journalist-and-teacher-dies-at-98/2013/11/09/4fe3fd90-496f-11e3-a196-3544a03c2351_story.html Washington Post] AND the [http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/13/us/penn-kimball-journalist-who-sued-us-over-secret-files-dies-at-98.html New York Times,] one should say "whoops!" and withdraw the nomination. Carrite (talk) 03:43, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

::: Also, here's a note in the NY Times piece: "A documentary about Mr. Kimball was shown on PBS, and in 1984 he filed a $10 million lawsuit against the federal government to clear his name." This documentary would also count to GNG, of course. Carrite (talk) 03:46, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

:::: ...This documentary aired on Frontline, April 14, 1987, entitled "The Secret File," per [http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/programs/1987.html THIS]. Carrite (talk) 03:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

::::: The New York Times also [http://www.nytimes.com/1983/12/11/books/ordeal-by-hearsay.html reviewed his book], The File, in 1983, and that deals largely with his biography as well, for what it's worth... Carrite (talk) 03:53, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

• Clear keep as above. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:16, 9 December 2013 (UTC).
• Speedy keep for lack of a valid deletion rationale. Even if all we had were the obits, since when are we required to also have pre-obituary sources? This is a gross exaggeration of what WP:NOTMEMORIAL says, which is merely that dead people are not exempted from our notability requirements. I.e., there is absolutely nothing in there adding extra notability requirements for using obituaries relative to other sources. The nominator has been around for long enough to know better. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:19, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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• Speedy keep many web publications, passes GNG. Alex ^{discussion ★} 12:48, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
• Speedy keep Obits in the NYT and WPost: clear meet of WP:GNG. I am baffled by the nom by such an experienced editor. Am I missing something? --Randykitty (talk) 13:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
• Keep. Notability demonstrated by obituaries in major news outlets and media coverage during his life. (And thanks for the leads; Google News is making it very hard for me to search for sources.) Yngvadottir (talk) 13:58, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
• Yes, Google news archive appears to be dead — they've dumped all that content into the web search where you can't find it among the junk. This is a big step backwards in usability imo. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:29, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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