Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Periodization of the Shang dynasty
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Okay, could be off the mark here, but I am not seeing any in-depth coverage regarding this concept. Seems to be a bit of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Onel5969 TT me 15:18, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History and China. Shellwood (talk) 15:40, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
:Keep: As discussed previously in places like Talk:Late Shang, there are different ways used by academic sources to periodize the Shang dynasty, which is itself a helpful and interesting topic. For example, many academic sources divide the main Shang period into 2 phases (Early Shang and Late Shang), whereas various other sources divide it into 3 phases (Early Shang, Middle Shang, and Late Shang), etc. Also, the article Late Shang is currently about “Late Shang” within a certain periodization method (starting from Wu Ding), but there are also different ways of understanding the term (e.g. starting from Pan Geng). The periodization of the Shang dynasty is often associated with Shang archaeology, which is itself an important topic. In any case, this general article (Periodization of the Shang dynasty) is used to explain such things as done in academic sources, although of course the article can be further expanded for even more detailed coverage. —Wengier (talk) 17:29, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep – this is not OR or SYNTH. It is an important topic of scholarly discussion and a set of real archeological terms. See, for instance, this footnote and the many comments in WP:Featured article candidates/Guandimiao/archive1 around the use of "Anyang", "Erligang culture", "Late Shang" etc., like right under [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Guandimiao/archive1#c-SilverTiger12-20250203060400-Comments_by_SilverTiger here]. In fact, based on that discussion this article is evidently not complete. (Not sure if it would be appropriate to ping editors involved in that FAC for comment.) Toadspike [Talk] 12:18, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- :I realize we could use some sources. I did a Google Scholar search for '"late shang" definition'. The first three results discuss this topic in great depth: [https://www.degruyterbrill.com/document/doi/10.1525/9780520310797-021/pdf][https://www.jstor.org/stable/3249314][https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/648398?casa_token=sBfSf00_cBAAAAAA%3AT48x3Chrm02CLG9xG2NgCvaWSc8sdkPFc_gc5NcEpQFXVLWcxQ1DJZC-Pzefl74zk4qDf2zAVh8] Toadspike [Talk] 19:02, 23 April 2025 (UTC)