Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Perpetuum

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Online game of questionable notability. Previously deleted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Perpetuum multiple times] as advertising - also see Perpetuum Online. References are mostly primary sources - some limited coverage from blogs and gamer sites, but not enough to establish notability. Google news search on [http://www.google.com/search?q=Perpetuum+%22Terra+Incognita%22&tbm=nws&ei=8KFbTqOOCdTE0AHot92TCQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=4&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAw Perpetuum "Terra Incognita"] (the current name of the game) shows no results. MikeWazowski (talk) 14:30, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

:There's plenty of notability to consider when searching for the subject's working title, Perpetuum Online. As the subject is fairly new, this title would qualify as the best search term anyway ({{Find sources|Perpetuum Online}}). Considering the GNG, I've found dozens of independent previews, reviews, news items, podcasts, screencasts, videos, blogposts and forum discussions on the subject of the article. Yes, most of them primary sources, as I would say is fairly usual for a new(er) video game. A secondary source that might even qualify in this context: [http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/4905/Five-Underappreciated-MMOs.html/utm_campaign/MMORPG%20Newsletter/utm_source/MMORPG/utm_medium/email/eatrack/%5B|email|%5D,7]

:Doek (talk) 16:04, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I have added a link to MobyGames.com, a site which strives to become a database about all games. The name Terra Incognita is used, but not often. Your google link indeed does not show any results, but a it could be a problem with what Google think is news. [http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=+Perpetuum+%22Terra+Incognita%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Perpetuum "Terra Incognita"] via my browser google searchbar works and it shows a few websites which could be called games news sites. Norrdec (talk) 14:50, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. ({{find video game sources short|Perpetuum|linksearch=}}) • Gene93k (talk) 17:30, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - [http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/tag/perpetuum-online/ RockPaperShotgun has 5 articles] and [http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/tag/perpetuum/ 2 more here], [http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/perpetuum-online-hands-on EuroGamer.net], [http://www.tentonhammer.com/taxonomy/term/2679 TenTonHammer.com has 5 articles], [http://www.jeuxvideo.com/jeux/actualites/pc/00037193-perpetuum.htm JeuxVideo.com has 2 articles], [http://massively.joystiq.com/tag/perpetuum/ Massively.Joystiq.com has over a dozen], [http://www.zam.com/news/tags/Perpetuum Zam.com has 8 articles], [http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/438/feature/4739 mmorpg.com], [http://www.gamereactor.eu/articles/5556/A+talk+about+Perpetuum/ gamereactor.eu]. I think that's plenty information to write a featured article on the subject. --Odie5533 (talk) 20:11, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
• :Question. Do any of these qualify as reliable sources?  --Lambiam 20:18, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
• Comment - Joystiq and Eurogamer definitely are. The other ones, I'm less confident about. Sergecross73 msg me 20:22, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

:*Also, TenTonHammer has been referenced by [http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/funcom-lays-off-american-staff EuroGamer], [http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/16599/PR_Firm_Kohnke_Sues_Perpetual_For_Fraud_Breach_Of_Contract.php GamaSutra], [http://www.gamespot.com/news/6200798/eve-online-goes-to-retail-with-atari GameSpot], [http://www.1up.com/news/age-conan-gold-pricing-structure 1UP], [http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2008/11/age-of-conan-dev-hit-with-layoffs-debuff.ars Ars Technica], and [http://massively.joystiq.com/2008/07/07/tentonhammer-takes-a-closer-look-at-eve-online/ Joystiq]. --Odie5533 (talk) 01:24, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

:*Rock, Paper, Shotgun is also probably reliable as it won an award for [http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pc-zone-heads-roll-call-of-winners-at-games-media-awards Best Blog] and is referenced by [http://pc.ign.com/articles/116/1166484p1.html IGN], [http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/36666/Confusion_Surrounds_Ubisoft_InternetConnected_DRM_Efforts_On_PC.php Gamasutra], [http://www.next-gen.biz/news/net-explodes-over-journalist-firing EDGE Magazine], [http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/08/ubisoft-lied-about-from-dust-drm-ubis-war-on-pc-gamers-continues.ars Ars Technica], [http://www.1up.com/news/pc-gamers-angered-from-dust-drm-shoddy-port 1UP], and [http://www.gamespot.com/news/6329894/ubisoft-loosens-driver-drm-restrictions-report GameSpot]. --Odie5533 (talk) 01:46, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

::*Rock Paper Shotgun is staffed by either former or current writers for PC Gamer, Eurogamer etc. and should be considered as reliable as IGN or GameSpot. Don't mind the off-the-wall style and knob jokes, that's just UK-style game journalism, they're pros. Someoneanother 23:47, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

• Keep. Sufficient in-depth coverage from multiple independent reliable sources (as indicated by Odie5533 and Sergecross73) to establish notability.  --Lambiam 21:00, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
• Keep Significant coverage from several reliable sources, notable enough to me. Agent Vodello^{OK, Let's Party, Darling!} 02:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. Please compare this article to similar game articles. This page is superior in amount of independent and reliable sources from within the MMORPG game genre. Bloommer (talk) 01:06, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

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