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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philip Samuelsson

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. WP:NOTINHERITED means that a he isn't notable just because his father is notable. The fact that the sources also mention his father is irrelevant as long as they provide significant coverage of his son. The ones mentioned by Ron Ritzman, in particular, serve this purpose. Granted, those sources might not be there without his father. But inherited notability, when picked up by reliable sources in a non-trivial way, is enough. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

=[[Philip Samuelsson]]=

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College hockey player who has not yet established himself to meet notability requirements per WP:NHOCKEY. Sources provided in the article are mostly about his relationship to his famous father, and do not provide enough significant coverage about the subject to support this article. Notability is not inherited, and Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball. Dolovis (talk) 23:22, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Delete as he doesn't meet aforementioned requirements. GoodDay (talk) 23:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Keep Substantial coverage in media: [http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09179/980398-61.stm], [http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2010/04/25_bcplayers.php], [http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/college/hockey/view.bg?articleid=1228022], [http://www.nesn.com/2010/02/bcs-philip-samuelsson-son-of-boston-sports-nemesis-takes-criticism-in-stride.html], [http://www.ushl.com/news/story.cfm?id=2446], [http://insidecollegehockey.com/inch/2010/04/07/inch-measures-up-boston-college-defenseman-philip-samuelsson/], [http://www.wpxi.com/sports/19881372/detail.html], [http://www.hockeyjournal.com/news/2010/04/26_bcfreshmen.php], [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/26/boston-college-hockey-pla_n_551502.html], [http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/articles/2009/06/28/it8217s_a_family_of_penguins/], [http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/2009-06-28-nhl-draft_N.htm and a USA Today article with significant mention]. Notability is not inherited, but coverage in third-party sources regardless of their inspirations are what we look for to establish notability. Grsz 11 00:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Keep- Sources found by Grsz11 are more than enough to establish notability. Umbralcorax (talk) 04:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Many of those sources are more about him being the son of Ulf Samuelsson, others are about the incident just off the BC campus where a SUV he was in ran into a Green Line Streetcar. Bhockey10 (talk) 06:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Many sources are about him and his father, but still exist to show notability, no matter what the author's inspiration to write the article was. Grsz 11 14:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. —Pparazorback (talk) 19:23, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

: Comment – The above listed sources fail to demonstrate that the subject has received independent and significant coverage in reliable sources per WP:GNG.

:1 – is about his father and does not provide significant coverage about subject

:2 – is about a non-notable accident and provides only a passing mention of subject

:3 – one sentence stating that the subject is the son of Ulf Samuelsson

:4 – is about his father and does not provide significant coverage about subject

:5 – is a USHL press release/game summary and provides only a passing mention of subject

:6 – is a promotional blog interview and cannot be considered to be an independent source

:7 – is about his kinship to his father and provides only a passing mention of subject

:8 – is about a non-notable accident and provides only a passing mention of subject

:9 – is about a non-notable accident and provides only a passing mention of subject

:10 – one sentence stating that the subject is the son of Ulf Samuelsson

:11 – USA Today article on how some sons of former NHL players were selected as part of the 2009 Draft, and does not provide significant coverage about subject.

Dolovis (talk) 01:16, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:51, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE as he has yet to play at a fully professional level, and a lack of substantial media coverage means that he fails the general notability guidelines. This article can be easily recreated if and when he makes his pro début, but delete until then. Bettia (talk) 16:30, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Delete All of the notability he has is inherited. Fails GNG. Sven Manguard Wha? 22:46, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Keep I don't think Dolovis' purported rebuttal of the sources presented by Grsz is accurate. For example, source 1 is not "about the father" at all. The sources Dolovis identifies as being "one sentence" are because the full article is behind a paywall. We know enough from the title and first sentence that the articles are likely to give significant coverage of the son. "Notability is not inherited" is a much over-used reason for deletion, based only on an essay. It overlooks the subtelties of distinguishing between people who don't receive significant coverage in their own right, and those who do. The sources clearly indicate that the son here does receive coverage in his own right. He's not as notable as his father, which means his father will usually be mentioned in articles about him, but that doesn't adversely affect his notability.--Mkativerata (talk) 03:24, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
  • I'm in agreement there. In fact, if one would read NOTINHERITED, it doesn't really apply to this situation at all. Grsz 11 03:26, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 04:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Delete - Appears to fail WP:GNG and WP:NHOCKEY. Recreate when/if the athlete becomes notable in the future. Kugao (talk) 19:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Keep. Some of the sources provided by Grsz 11, particularly [http://www.nesn.com/2010/02/bcs-philip-samuelsson-son-of-boston-sports-nemesis-takes-criticism-in-stride.html this one] and [http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09179/980398-61.stm this one] establish notability per WP:GNG. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:31, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.