Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pilot major

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The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Maritime pilot. Content may be merged at editorial discretion. If sources turn up, of course, the decision may be reversed. Many thanks {{u|Clarityfiend}} for Pilot Major of Spain. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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This stub has remained unsourced since 2013 and has remained a WP:DICDEF. A Google Books search finds several works that mention that such and such person was a "pilot-major" of an early modern European trade or exploration fleet, but no work defining or describing this title or occupation, which means that there is no basis for an encyclopedia article. Sandstein 14:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Sandstein 14:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
~~Weak~~ keep. I've added a list of pilots major. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:24, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
:Which is also unsourced, and therefore does not resolve the WP:V and WP:N issues of this article. It also conflates real persons and fictional characters. Sandstein 06:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

::*Sources and additional info added. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

::*:Thanks, but I still don't see the basis for an article here. The lead sentences, which purport to define the topic, remain unsourced: "A pilot major or pilot-major is a chief navigator of a ship or fleet. This person is usually experienced in naval exploration and has distinguished himself as both a sailor and a voyager." What you did find a source for was the use of the same term in Spain for something different, namely, a government office with responsibility for cartography. What we now have is a list of people with a position we cannot define, and a description of an unrelated government office. That's not an article. Sandstein 13:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

::::* The sources disagree with you; they call various non-officeholders pilots major. (Also, put the asterisk last after colons, otherwise it serves no purpose.) Clarityfiend (talk) 22:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::* Update. I have split off info to Pilot Major of Spain. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::*:Thanks, the spinoff for the government office makes sense and seems to be reasonably well sourced. But this still leaves us with a stub about the different sense of "pilot-major" as the "chief navigator of a ship or fleet", and we do not have a source for this meaning of the term, only a list of people who have been called "pilot-major" in sources. Sandstein 07:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:29, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Merge to Maritime pilot, which currently makes no mention of this office at all. BD2412 T 02:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
:That would make sense in principle, but as long as we have no source for the definition of the term, we can hardly merge it. Sandstein 20:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:: I suppose we could redirect. Clearly some countries use the phrase "pilot major" to refer to a kind of maritime pilot, even if the precise meaning is not defined. BD2412 T 17:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.