Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Porch sitting

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Completely non-notable neologism, in addition to being original research. Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC) Article is sourced, and thus no longer original research. Also, sufficient sources have been added to pass WP:GNG. Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. -- Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:09, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• While the article in its current state is, no doubt, unsourced original research, I think there might be a topic here, given the community and cultural aspects. Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time right now, but a quick search found [http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5589974 this NPR story], and I wouldn't be surprised if Jane Jacobs wrote about it as well as part of a healthy neighborhood (I'll try to remember to check my copy later tonight). I also found [http://www.americanprofile.com/article/27639.html this], but I don't know if that's a reliable source. Again, I just have a hunch and only had time for a quick search. Maybe it's just something to note in (and redirect to) porch? postdlf (talk) 00:27, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

• Keep The topic is, in fact, completly notable being covered in books such as [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iwCUAAAACAAJ The Art of Porch Sitting: A Societal Barometer]. The current title is not a neologism and this would not be a reason to delete even if it were. The claim of OR is unsupported by any details or evidence. The article just seems to need more work per our editing policy. Kudos to the creator for suggesting it. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:05, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

• Delete Unsourced and OR. Potentially could be merged or redirected to people watching or as a section of porch. --Yaksar (let's chat) 13:57, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
• The [http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Porch+sitting%22 Google Scholar results] show a number of relevant hits, though without access to the articles it's unclear how much information there is. But those hits do verify that this is a term in use, and a recognized cultural practice in the U.S.; the first hit states (in the results view): "Porch sitting is also a social act which influences the functioning of a larger social system. This porch sitting forms a "porch society'." There are also a few Scholar results discussing the "culture" of porch sitting as it relates to elderly care and well being. Google Books search also shows some hits, which at a minimum show that the term is not a neologism and that there is recognition of it as culturally significant, and it gives me hope that there is more out there. See also Urban stoop#Urban Stoops as a Social Device. So I'm going to say keep and mark for cleanup, expansion, references, etc. I'm thinking merging to porch would not be appropriate, given the scope of that article and the specificity of porch sitting as an (apparently) American cultural thing judging from the sources. postdlf (talk) 14:17, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

• Note: The article under discussion here has been flagged for {{tl|rescue}} by the Article Rescue Squadron. SnottyWong ^communicate 16:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete - This is original research. "Playing music, consuming alcohol and smoking cigarettes or marijuana are common activities closely associated with Porch Sitting." Give me a break. I'm also not convinced that the activity can be shown to be a notable cultural activity, any moreso than Looking out the window or Sitting on the edge of the bed are notable cultural activities. Even if it can be shown to be notable, the current state of the article would require a complete rewrite, so better to delete until such time that someone has the time and motivation to start from scratch. SnottyWong ^communicate 16:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
• :Comment. I'm not sure if your comment is tongue in cheek, probably not, but I'm quite tempted to make a page for those red links. They look fine to me, and useful to some. Szzuk (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep Click the Google news archive search at the top. Many things come up. The Milwaukee Journal - Jul 20, 1966 [http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=HQQqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0ScEAAAAIBAJ&dq=porch-sitting&pg=2625%2C4955701 When the Swing was King, Porch Sitting Once Was a Status Symbol]. This is a real thing. The article just needs some work. Since its only a day old, why not give it some time? Don't want to scare off a new contributor by nominating their first contribution for deletion, without even trying to speak to them on their talk page, or the article's talk page first to discuss problems. Dream Focus 22:04, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

:*No one's arguing that sitting on a porch is a real thing, just that it has such notability that it needs more than a reference in an article on porches. There is only one cited statement in this article, and it simply says that porch sitting is seen as a status symbol.--Yaksar (let's chat) 00:34, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

::*Many sources have sense been added. Many news sources state how important porch sitting was and still is, for community security, etc. Many news sources state that air conditioning and television have caused its decline. [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Porch+sitting%22+%22air+conditioning%22&sa=N&tbs=nws:1,ar:1] Dream Focus 14:18, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

• Keep I personally hate sitting around on the porch doing nothing, but WP:IDL aside, it does looks like enough sources have been provided to demonstrate notability:[http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=HQQqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0ScEAAAAIBAJ&dq=porch-sitting&pg=2625,4955701][http://books.google.com/books?id=iwCUAAAACAAJ][http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=9eizD4IV0Y8C&pg=PA64#v=onepage&q&f=false]. Qrsdogg (talk) 05:06, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
• Merge the sourced content of the "article" (a single sentence) into Porch. This is another terrible junkyard-style article where the bulk of the content is unsourced original research and trivial observations, supposedly justified by one sourcable morsel tacked onto the end. There is not enough here for a real article. Reyk _YO! 00:30, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. Not much porch sitting in the UK, what with it peeing down most of the time. But when I'm on hols its great! Nothing wrong with those sources, what do the deleters want, a film about porch sitting or a full page spread in the NY Times? For a topic of this nature they are actually very good references. Szzuk (talk) 20:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
• Keep There seem to be abundant sources for notability, and the article is probably expandable to a ery considerable extent. DGG ( talk ) 03:31, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
• Delete, OR/SYN; while a lot of articles write about it, the coverage is tangential and insubstantial. Stifle (talk) 09:45, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
• Strong Keep, this is an old custom where houses have porches, and in many eastern cities like Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Boston, where many row houses have stoops (i.e. front steps, often of marble) used for sitting and relaxing. --DThomsen8 (talk) 18:17, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
• Strong keep - Article is now nothing like what it was. Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

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