Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Price Overide

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No references, and no claims to notability. This is more of an WP:Essay So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 16:34, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

• Delete. WP:HOWTO, WP:NOTESSAY. The term certainly appears to be in use in commerce and an article might be possible, but this is not it. Blow it up and start over. SpinningSpark 01:08, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 22:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 22:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

• Keep I suppose as this looks better now. Delete as Books and browser found a few links but I'm not seen ng anything for improvement. SwisterTwister talk 22:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

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:({{Find sources AFD|Price override}})

• Comment: Obviously a typo in the article title here, should be Price override. I could honestly not make heads or tails of the /Theft/ section, so I have stubbed it to a one-liner. The term is new to me, but appears to be common in accounting and economics. I have slightly WP:OVERCITEd to show that. {{Pinggroup|Pinging|TheGreatWikiLord|Spinningspark|SwisterTwister}} -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 14:09, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

:*I can live with that as a stub. If it stays like that I would favour moving to the corrected spelling. SpinningSpark 14:33, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

:::Yes, naturally move it to Price override. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 07:20, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

• Keep and move to Price override per my above comments: the term is common and is easily referenced with reliable sources found to verify notability. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 21:44, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

:*comment: It now merely looks like a definition than an article. IMHO i don't think that this is an article worth of encyclopedic inclusion. So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 13:14, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

::*Most stubs start out as just a definition, or little more than that. The question for AfD is whether or not it is capable of being expanded into a decent article from reliable sources. In my opinion it is; [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QgVMwOhCgNsC&pg=PA13&dq=%22price+overrides%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAGoVChMI6YXNzPWoyAIVyTcUCh3JPw2D#v=onepage&q=%22price%20overrides%22&f=false this book] and [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Z9AzCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT692&dq=%22price+overrides%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBWoVChMI-8n57vaoyAIVQV0UCh1VZAdF#v=onepage&q=%22price%20overrides%22&f=false this one] discuss it at length. One can even find book sources that discuss the theft issue associated with price overrides [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=IcMtQoCeVpAC&pg=PA138&dq=%22price+overrides%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBGoVChMI6YXNzPWoyAIVyTcUCh3JPw2D#v=onepage&q=%22price%20overrides%22&f=false][https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BNaDkkw6qVQC&pg=PA114&dq=%22price+overrides%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAWoVChMI6YXNzPWoyAIVyTcUCh3JPw2D#v=onepage&q=%22price%20overrides%22&f=false]. SpinningSpark 13:35, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

::*Nom's statement "i don't think that this is an article worth of encyclopedic inclusion." is purely personal point-of-view that should be avoided, cf. WP:BELONG. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 21:44, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

:::*it may be my lack of imagination, but I am not seeing how this can ever expand to be an article worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. The fact that it is discussed in a textbook is not criteria enough for inclusion. Suppose you presented 2 news articles from ?WSJ saying that price override led to a ?2.1% decrease in anticipated revenue, that would be different story. for me textbook alone is not enough is this case. So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 14:13, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

::::* On the contrary, textbooks are one of the most acceptable sources for establishing notability of a subject. According to our reliable sources guideline "When available, academic and peer-reviewed publications, scholarly monographs, and textbooks are usually the most reliable sources." You appear not to have heard that Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS, but in any case, the phrase is coming up in gnews items if you care to look. SpinningSpark 15:18, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

:::::*Delete article but keep information. I never said Wikipedia is news. News was just an example of what would have established notability. Both of the examples show that "price overrides" was mentioned once in each book. I do not think that this coverage is in depth enough to establish notability. I am not convinced that this deserves an article in an encyclopedia. I am, however, in favor of adding this information to Shrinkage_(accounting). I believe that would be more encyclopedic than its own article. Thank you. So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 21:00, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

::::::*Nom missed the spelling error. That and their subsequent comments begs the question: what kind of searches were performed prior to nomination? -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 21:44, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

:::::::*For argument's sake, I will admit that my command of the English language is between poor and horrible. I'm sorry, but Personal attacks do not establish notability. Please try to stay on topic. So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 22:10, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

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• I am confused that you linked to Wikipedia:Notability (events) before, it has no bearing in this case, and now you link to Wikipedia:No personal attacks saying you think that notability has not been established? The lack of answer to my question "what kind of searches were performed prior to nomination" leaves me with the impression that no due diligence was performed. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 22:23, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

:* we are moving off topic. I have edited my previous comment. I have nothing further to say. Please try to establish the notability of the topic as oppose to questioning what I am or am not capable of. Thank you. So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 01:28, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

::*Notability has been established and no successful arguments for deletion have been advanced for this apparently common term in accounting and economics.

;Cite journal

• {{cite journal|last1=Perry|first1=William E.|title=Concurrent EDP Auditnig an Early Warning Scheme|journal=EDPACS|volume=1|issue=8|year=2010|pages=1–7|issn=0736-6981|doi=10.1080/07366987409450112}}
• {{cite journal|last1=Perez|first1=Darrin|title=What Comes Next|year=2015|pages=187–215|doi=10.1007/978-1-4842-1040-6_10}}
• {{cite journal|last1=Anitsal|first1=Ismet|last2=Schumann|first2=David|title=Toward a Conceptualization of Customer Productivity: The Customer's Perspective on Transforming Customer Labor into Customer Outcomes Using Technology-Based Self-Service Options|journal=The Journal of Marketing Theory and Practice|volume=15|issue=4|year=2007|pages=349–363|issn=1069-6679|doi=10.2753/MTP1069-6679150405}}
• and mentioned in many more

;Cite news

• {{cite news|url=http://www.highlandstoday.com/hi/local-news/two-walmart-employees-accused-of-fraud-20140424/ |title=Two Walmart employees accused of fraud |publisher=Highlandstoday.com |date= |accessdate=2015-10-05}}
• {{cite news|url=http://www.wiscnews.com/news/local/article_be4858c8-3736-5bf8-866f-ec895098bdb7.html |title=Store's failure reveals alleged employee thefts | Regional news |publisher=wiscnews.com |date=2014-11-14 |accessdate=2015-10-05}}
• and mentioned in many more

;Cite book

• {{cite book|author=Advanous|title=Price for Success: A Practical Guide for Improving Margins in Wholesale Distribution|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=QgVMwOhCgNsC&pg=PA13|date=1 January 2004|publisher=Natl Assn Wholesale-Distr|isbn=978-1-934014-01-1|pages=13–}}
• {{cite book|author=Sudarshan Seshanna|title=Retail Management|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=Z9AzCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT692|publisher=McGraw Hill Education (India) Private Limited|isbn=978-93-392-0307-8|pages=692–}}
• {{cite book|author=Lev Mirlas|title=Multisite Commerce: Proven Principles for Overcoming the Business, Organizational, and Technical Challenges|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=YVDFBgU-A6wC&pg=PT526|date=21 August 2009|publisher=Pearson Education|isbn=978-0-13-703420-8|pages=526–}}
• {{cite book|author=John Robert Wyman|title=Loss Prevention and the Small Business: The Security Professional's Guide to Asset Protection Strategies|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=BNaDkkw6qVQC&pg=PA114|year=1999|publisher=Butterworth-Heinemann|isbn=978-0-7506-7162-0|pages=114–}}
• {{cite book|author=Donald J. Horan|title=The Retailer's Guide to Loss Prevention and Security|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=IcMtQoCeVpAC&pg=PA138|date=27 November 1996|publisher=CRC Press|isbn=978-0-8493-8110-2|pages=138–}}
• {{cite book|author=Richard Halter|title=ARTS for Retail|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=BsqbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA165|date=January 2014|publisher=iUniverse|isbn=978-1-4917-1552-9|pages=165–}}
• {{cite book|author1=Simon Wright|author2=Diane McCrea|title=The Handbook of Organic and Fair Trade Food Marketing|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=ZhzoTTqwUSoC&pg=PA203|date=15 April 2008|publisher=John Wiley & Sons|isbn=978-0-470-99608-9|pages=203–}}
• {{cite book|title=The SEC Speaks in ...|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=gSVAAQAAIAAJ|year=2008|publisher=Practising Law Institute}}
• {{cite book|author=Kornel Terplan|title=Electronic Bill Presentment and Payment|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=xoP_RU-eLNsC&pg=PA38|date=12 March 2003|publisher=CRC Press|isbn=978-0-203-00941-3|pages=38–}}
• {{cite book|author1=Terrance J. O'Malley|author2=John H. Walsh|title=Investment Adviser's Legal and Compliance Guide|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=lnVWAgAAQBAJ&pg=SA4-PA35|year=2013|publisher=Aspen Publishers Online|isbn=978-1-4548-3849-4|pages=4–}}
• {{cite book|author=Bill Wise Cpp|title=Competitive Advantage-Fixing Small Business Security and Safety Problems|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=xNLz90rrnGcC&pg=PA150|date=December 2008|publisher=Bill Wise CPP|isbn=978-0-578-00469-3|pages=150–}}
• {{cite book|author=Annabelle Ruston|title=Framing and Presenting Textile Art|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=nFnZKNvwU1UC&pg=PA144|date=7 January 2009|publisher=A&C Black|isbn=978-0-7136-8808-5|pages=144–}}
• {{cite book|author1=Chris Carroll|author2=Samuel Kay|title=Investment Funds: Jurisdictional Comparisons|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=6wpDmuSd2H0C&pg=PA455|date=7 December 2011|publisher=Sweet & Maxwell|isbn=978-1-908239-08-2|pages=455–}}
• {{cite book|author1=Yogesh K. Dwivedi|author2=Helle Zinner Henriksen|author3=David Wastell|coauthors=Rahul De' |no-tracking=true |title=Grand Successes and Failures in IT: Public and Private Sectors: IFIP WG 8.6 International Conference on Transfer and Diffusion of IT, TDIT 2013, Bangalore, India, June 27-29, 2013, Proceedings|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=Avu5BQAAQBAJ&pg=PA546|date=22 June 2013|publisher=Springer|isbn=978-3-642-38862-0|pages=546–}}
• and 100s more.

:::Asking if the mandatory WP:BEFORE was performed in this case is neither irrelevant to the nomination nor is it a personal attack. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 06:56, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

• Keep/merge Not seeing any reason to delete this as the worst case is obviously merger into an article such as Pricing per WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. Andrew D. (talk) 14:25, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

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