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Like all articles created by this editor (see e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Rawandiz), this one seems to fabricate pseudohistory from some sources which mention something vaguely related at best, but without any sources about the actual subject. Fram (talk) 08:43, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:I understand your concern, but I want to clarify that all the sources used in the article do mention that Muhammad Pasha of Rawanduz launched a revolt, and they describe it as a successive or multi-phase conflict involving resistance against Ottoman authority. While the event may not always be labeled in English-language sources as the “Rawanduz Revolt,” that does not mean it did not happen or that it lacks historical basis.

:This revolt is well known among the Kurdish people and is documented in several academic and regional sources—what may appear “vague” in English sources is more clearly established in local or specialized historical literature. The purpose of the article is not to invent history, but to present events that are verifiable through multiple references, even if the naming conventions differ.

:I believe that instead of deletion, the article could benefit from improving the sourcing format, adding inline citations, and possibly clarifying the terminology used, but dismissing it outright undermines a notable episode of Kurdish-Ottoman relations. MHD1234567890 (talk) 08:52, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

::[https://www.proquest.com/docview/1535017531/B511EBEAD4CA4671PQ/3] mentions Rawanduz once, not in the context of a revolt though. You use [https://www.ezidipress.com/blog/das-khatare-massaker-im-maerz-1832/ this blog], an unreliable source, throughout the article, e.g. to claim 70,000 death in a massacre. The blog post mentions 10,000. If there are no sources which label it the "Rawanduz Revolt", then it is WP:OR to invent such a title for it, whatever "it" is. Fram (talk) 10:19, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:::The term Rawanduz (also spelled Rawandooz, Rawandiz, Rowanduz, or Ravandooz) refers not only to the region but also to the ruling family of Muhammad Pasha, who is central to this historical episode. The title Rawanduz Revolt is a logical and concise way to refer to this complex series of events, even if some sources describe it under different terms like the Soran Revolt. Regardless of the title, all the sources converge on the fact that a major revolt led by Muhammad Pasha took place, and each of them describes various aspects—be it military campaigns, conquests, or resistance against Ottoman authority.

:::If needed, I can provide additional reliable sources that explicitly refer to his revolt or rebellion. Regarding the Yazidi massacre, the blog cited contains a testimony, and that figure (70,000) is in fact echoed in multiple other sources—not just the blog. Even a quick check across Yazidi history sources shows the recurrence of this same number.

:::The use of this terminology is not original research but an editorial decision to group well-documented historical events under a coherent and searchable title. MHD1234567890 (talk) 11:56, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Furthermore, the name Muhammad Pasha, referring specifically to Mir Muhammad Pasha of Soran, appears over 60 times in the first source you referenced, more than 20 times in A People Without a State by Michael Eppel, and over 60 times again in The Kurdish National Movement by Wadie Jwaideh. And these are only three of the many scholarly sources available. To downplay this revolt as “minor” is to overlook the substantial amount of academic attention dedicated to Muhammad Pasha’s campaigns and the broader context of Kurdish resistance during this period. His revolt was not an isolated or trivial episode—it was a major confrontation with both Ottoman and regional powers, well documented through various military actions, regional expansions, and social upheaval. The article reflects this historical significance. MHD1234567890 (talk) 12:06, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:Delete per nom Shaneapickle (talk) 12:55, 22 April 2025 (UTC)