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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rich Perez

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MBisanz talk 05:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

=[[Rich Perez]]=

:{{la|Rich Perez}} ([{{fullurl:Rich Perez|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rich Perez}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

It is not clear that this person meets the notablity criteria. The article is, of course, a festival of conflict of interest, but this could be fixed if reliable sources were available. His strongest claim to fame seems to be as a professional baseball player, but he apparently never actually played a game in the major leagues. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:34, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Speedy Delete as hoax. I'm surprised this went through. The article says he played in the minors in the 1980s, but thebaseballcube.com shows 0 rich perez's playing at that time (sans 1 who played in the Rookie league in 87). It says he attended Franklin High School, which lines up with this Perez (http://thebaseballcube.com/players/P/Richard-Perez.shtml), but didn't have a career. Plus, the colleges listed on that and in the article are different. Lastly, it says he was traded for Cesar Cedeno at one point. The Cedeno trade was for Ray Knight straight up, with no extra players. If there is factual information in here, it's muddled within a bunch of lies. Wizardman 15:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

:*Agreed with the above. Baseball Reference shows no record of any player with this name playing in the 80s. There are two in the nineties but there are huge disparities between the listed career information of these two players ([http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=11283] and [http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=11282]) and the information given in the article. Delete. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 15:27, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Weak delete He appears to be a real person. The Las Vegas Review-Journal published [http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Feb-13-Sun-2005/news/25859176.html this 2005 account of his son's death in Iraq] that cites the father's minor league baseball claims. That and a [http://archives.starbulletin.com/2005/03/20/sports/simpson.html related column in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin] were the only reliable secondary source Google hits I got when looking for "rich perez" and "best damn". The problem is that these are both articles about the son and don't really do anything to establish the notability of the father. There may be other sources out there but I'm not optimistic. Rklear (talk) 16:16, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep I think his broadcasting career makes him barely notable... The two guys cited by KV above are not the right player... This guy played in the 80s according to the timeline... and BCube and BReference are spotty on pre-90s minor league stats... I think the article needs a complete rewrite and better sourcing.. but he does seem to have a long running radio show in a major market and is apparently the originator of the "Best Damn..." show... among other broadcasting work.. that just barely gets him over the threshold. Spanneraol (talk) 22:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete. Given the large amount of apparently false material in the article (the nonexistent Cedeno trade, the absence of his name from the Astros' 1986 transaction log, etc.), it should probably be nuked regardless of any notability questions. If someone wanted to start a clean stub on him afterwards, that'd be fine. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 17:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
  • :Keep in mind that this false material isn't a Wikipedia hoax per se, rather an apparent case of resume padding by the subject himself. If he were notable it would probably appear in the article as a source of controversy, with his claims matched against external evidence. Not that that matters, because notable he ain't. Rklear (talk) 17:34, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete. Another, more complete source for minor league baseball players and statistics is the [http://minors.sabrwebs.com/cgi-bin/index.php SABR minor league database]. For the 1980s the only Rich or Richard Perez listed is the player Wizardman already identified, "Richard L Perez," who played 45 games in a rookie league in 1987. This Richard L Perez (born 1967) is a bit young to fit the biographical information given in the article, and his baseball career is non-notable anyway. I spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out whether this article is a hoax or simple resume padding (as suggested by Rklear). Besides the articles mentioned by Rklear, I found his name mentioned in two more news stories from reliable sources—both are articles on his son's death in Iraq, [http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-richard-perez,0,6404239.story] and [http://www.mccarrannoisestudy.com/add_info/south_valley_news.pdf]. Ultimately, though, it doesn't matter whether it's a hoax or resume padding—there simply aren't enough reliable sources to qualify this guy as notable, as a baseball player, as a sportscaster, or as anything else. BRMo (talk) 23:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete. Like the editors above, I can't find any evidence independent of the subject of any kind of baseball career. Can't verify the NFL gig, so if it's real it's not notable. The broadcast career seems to be real, but notability just ain't there. Same for the movie career.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 18:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.