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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roman Catholic Pro-life movement

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. AfD was perhaps not the best first stop for this, in part because the nominator seems to be calling for a merge, not a deletion. There is clearly no consensus to delete, so that was not an option as for as a close to the AfD. Some editors want to merge content here back to a larger article such as Christianity and abortion. Others wonder whether this article is (or should be) about "Roman Catholicism and abortion" or rather about the broader "pro-life" aspects of Catholic belief. It's not for a closing admin to determine that, but questions about the article title and scope, and whether it should be a standalone article or merged elsewhere and turned into a redirect, can and should be worked out on the article talk page. Hopefully the discussion below can continue there. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 07:23, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

=[[Roman Catholic Pro-life movement]]=

:{{la|Roman Catholic Pro-life movement}} ([{{fullurl:Roman Catholic Pro-life movement|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roman Catholic Pro-life movement}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

this article is unnecessarily narrow; its content can and should be incorportaed into the existing wider article Christianity and abortion The Sage of Stamford (talk) 19:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 03:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 03:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep No eligible reason for deletion has been given. AfD is not cleanup, merges do not need AfD. Jclemens (talk) 03:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Merge as nom. I presume that this is not a specific organisation. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Strong keep - entire books have been written about the Catholic Church's positions on abortion and the related history. The article, however, should be renamed "Roman Catholicism and abortion" to be consistent with the main Christianity and abortion article. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:33, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • There is a section in the Christianity and abortion article for the Roman Catholic position, as for many other branches of Christianity. Do we need separate articles on the Baptist position, Quaker position etc? One comprehensive article addressing all stances would be preferable.--The Sage of Stamford (talk) 20:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • See below. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment concept is notable, this article is probably not the proper way to start. The article conflates Pro-life and Anti-Abortion. Pro-life is also against capital punishment, which the article asserts without sourcing has always been the position of the Roman Catholic Church. Hmmmm... The Inquisition and executions in the Papal States come to mind... Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Very good point. The Catholic Church's pro-life positions extend well beyond abortion, thus it would be inappropriate to merge the article with Christianity and abortion even if there was insufficient source to support a separate article (which is not the case). Needed to be rewritten is not a valid reason or deletion. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • If kept, this article should be renamed Roman Catholic Church and abortion (as some others have proposed, and one has withdrawn) because as today's featured article Ten Commandments in Roman Catholicism clearly outlines the Church's position on pro-life which goes well beyond this selective handling proposed in scope by this article. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 07:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Or, alternately, expanded to include information on the church's position on all aspects of the "pro-life" movement. Certainly, I can easily see how there might be room in the article for the addition of at least some additional content. :) John Carter (talk) 14:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete There is no need for this spin out article (POV fork). With a large amount of catholic content already in articles such as Consistent life ethic, Culture of life, and Christianity and abortion#Contemporary Roman Catholic views, I don't see how this article is needed. It clearly doesn't go into more detail than those articles. Furthermore, as the article is currently titled, the sources do not establish notability of the "Roman Catholic Pro-life movement", if such a thing even exists. While a renamed "Roman Catholic Church and abortion" article may be better titled, it wouldn't match up with this articles content, nor would we need to spin out a whole new article from the "Christianity and abortion" article yet. As it currently stands, I would delete this article, and possibly redirect the Roman Catholic Church and abortion to the Christianity and abortion article. -Andrew c [talk] 21:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Strong keep The pro-life position is a fundamental aspect of Catholicism, on which popes have written encyclicals, and the Church's heavy emphasis on the issue and high-profile efforts in the area have led it to be closely and uniquely associated with the pro-life movement.Dino Velvet 8MM (talk) 03:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep - The fact that the article is currently in rather unimpressive shape is not sufficient reason to delete. The topic of the Catholic pro-life movement is an extremely important one within the Catholic church, more so than in most other churches, and it is reasonable to spin out content that will overwhelm a parent article. Having said that, I would not object to merging back into another article at some point in the future should the article show no significant improvement in a reasonable time. John Carter (talk) 15:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete as needless POV fork - and salvage any material not covered elsewhere into main articles on this topic. Springnuts (talk) 07:00, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Merge. At the very least this is a reasonable redirect to Christianity and abortion. Eluchil404 (talk) 01:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.