Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Romantic Revival

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This page appears to be a mixture of unsourced information, original research, and potentially self-promotion.

• The primary source for the page, and for the majority of its life the only source, is a Time Magazine article entitled [https://time.com/archive/6634244/festivals-romantic-revival/ Festivals: Romantic Revival]. The article was published in 1969 and is merely a review of a particular event held that year which featured Romantic music (and which was not even called "Romantic Revival"). The Time article contains no claims about broader historical trends of Romantic music experiencing a revival in the cultural consciousness starting in the 1960s, as the Wikipedia page does. In fact, far from suggesting that this 1969 festival is the beginning of a coming cultural shift, the author is openly derisive of the Romantic music played at the festival.

• The text about Ates Orga's championing of the revival, added to the article several years after its initial creation, is supported only by an accompanying reference to a 1977 article written by Orga, and not by any independent source positing the notability of Orga's activities.

• The text about the Romantic Revival Orchestra, added to the article quite recently, appears to be entirely self-promotion. No source is provided other than a link to the website of the entity described.

Note that the page has existed on Wikipedia for almost 20 years and as such may have influenced sources written after 2007, if not in any particulars of fact, then at least in the claim of the existence, naming, and notability of a "Romantic Revival" in classical music in the 1960s.

(The above rationale was adapted from an AfD request I filed last year that wasn't taken up.) — flamingspinach | (talk) 09:09, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and History. — flamingspinach | (talk) 09:09, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete it doesn't look like the sourcing is at all there to support the idea that this was a musical movement. Since the article says Harold C. Schonberg was a champion of it in the New York Times I searched the full archive for that paper and as near as I can tell he never used the phrase, and the paper itself only used the phrase talking about other eras, or just casually saying that there's been a revival in interest in this kind of music lately, without saying anything about it being a specific movement. This article appears to be advancing an original argument the sources don't make. --Here2rewrite (talk) 13:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. There are academic sources that discuss the existence of a Romantic Revival though this article doesn't include them.[https://read.dukeupress.edu/books/book/1925/chapter-abstract/190879/The-Romantic-Revival?redirectedFrom=fulltext][https://internationaljournalofresearch.com/2022/01/17/the-romantic-revival/][https://chroniclesmagazine.org/web/the-romantic-revival/] This might be a case of WP:TNT. desmay (talk) 15:04, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• :There is plenty of information about a "romantic revival" in literature in the 19th century, which is what your source #2 is about, and probably what source #1 is about as well though I don't have access to it. But that doesn't support this article, which is about a revival of romantic music in the mid 20th century.
• :The third article you linked is not an academic source - it's an editorial column from a paleoconservative monthly magazine with "close ties to the neo-Confederate movement", according to its Wikipedia article. It was also written a full 10 years after Romantic Revival was first published on Wikipedia, for whatever that's worth. — flamingspinach | (talk) 23:37, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. Sources have been provided to warrant an article, even of the current quality of the article is low. Cortador (talk) 17:19, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• :Could you list some of those sources? I've mentioned why I think the ones currently included in the article don't support the statements made in the article or are otherwise unsuitable. If you're referring to the comment above yours, I've addressed those as well in a reply. — flamingspinach | (talk) 23:38, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{comment}} This subject did exist - there was an infamous prototype of an infomercial that sold Romantic music for the masses. My parents were of the Silent generation who listened to folk music and this genre. It's enough of an essay that I can't !vote to approve it. Please ping me when you add the found sources and cut out the OR. Bearian (talk) 11:25, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

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