Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ronald Uviedo

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There is no clear-cut consensus between deletion and merging. I am closing this as a non-consensus, but without prejudice against a renomination at AfD - however, I would suggest that it might be useful to have a week or so discussion on this matter at WikiProject Baseball to see what the project thinks before any such re-nomination occurs -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 20:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

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He is not notable yet. Though he spent time on the Toronto Blue Jays 40-man roster (I think...), he has not reached the major leagues, nor has he pitched above the AA level. Alex (talk) 04:34, 15 October 2010 (UTC)Note to Closing Admin AFD nom has suggested below that the article be merged to Toronto Blue Jays minor league players Vodello (talk) 05:00, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:14, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:14, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Keep He was on the 40-man rosters of the Pirates and Blue Jays just this season. We currently determine that anyone on a 40-man roster is notable. --Muboshgu (talk) 19:25, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Merge to Toronto Blue Jays minor league players. Spanneraol (talk) 21:26, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
My inclination is to delete but I'd be interested to know if there is an official policy or guideline about 40-man rosters or if that was just an opinion in some previous AFD. Ma^t_chups 18:05, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

:I don't think it's been spelled out explicitly, but we've had the standard of creating an article for every player on a 40 man roster (all the people you see listed on Template:New York Yankees roster and all the other teams). If we're determining that these individuals are notable enough for an article when they're on the 40 man, they should still be notable even after they're DFA'd. --Muboshgu (talk) 02:24, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Delete. I would not consider the 40-man roster to be inherently notable. He could fall off of it and end up never playing a major league game or passing notability standards. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

:So that means we should leave red links on those roster templates? You don't need to be promoted to MLB to be notable, and I think being added to a 40 man roster, a sign that the team sees something in you if they're using a limited resource on you, could easily be seen as a criteria for notability. --Muboshgu (talk) 03:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

::If the players are listed on the minor league player articles, then the rosters will link to those and we won't have the red links. Spanneraol (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

:::That's a possibility. I think this should be taken to WP:BASEBALL before a final decision on this AfD is made, since it will have implications for other similar players. --Muboshgu (talk) 19:03, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cirt (talk) 05:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Delete - WP:ATHLETE implies that playing at the MLB level is enough to make you notable. Being drafted consists of "using a limited resource," so I don't see that as a useful criterion. I'd rather not go down the slippery slope. If that means red links on the roster templates, so be it. Ma^t_chups 11:15, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Comment On second thought, I think this should just be merged with the team's minor league players page. Alex (talk) 21:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Merge It is not a 'slippery slope' to have information on Wikipedia about a player on the 40-man roster of an MLB team. This is per prior existing consensus from WP:BASEBALL. I suggest a merge to Toronto Blue Jays minor league players for now, with the option of having this as a standalone article if it can be expanded to five or more paragraphs and supported by multiple reliable secondary sources. Vodello (talk) 04:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

:Why "five or more"? Where is that laid out in criteria? --Muboshgu (talk) 18:24, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

::*There isn't. That's why it's called a suggestion. Vodello (talk) 02:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Merge per Vodello and consensus, do not delete. Secret ^account 17:59, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Comment I spent a few minutes expanding it. There are four reliable news articles, in addition to the typical B-Ref and Cube links. There are more recent ones that are Spanish language; I think he's playing in the Venezuelan Winter League right now. --Muboshgu (talk) 18:24, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Three passing mentions and one that mentions him in a couple of sentences is not enough. Secret ^account 20:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

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