Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rylan Reed

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Article fails to meet notability guidelines WP:NCOLLATH and WP:BASEBALL/N. NThomas (talk) 04:47, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

:Delete Fails WP:ATHLETE.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:20, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

:Keep - given the expansion. Many minor leaguers have a comparable amount of press but get deleted. Taking the time to do the expansion makes this one a keeper.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 05:46, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

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• Keep. After beating cancer, he became a first-team All-American football player at Texas Tech. Satisfies both WP:NCOLLATH and WP:GNG. Offensive linemen almost never get glory or news coverage, but the truly exceptional ones do. Reed is one of the truly exceptional ones. Examples of news coverage include: (1) [http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/927/intimidating-reed-once-made-minor-league-hitters-quiver Intimidating Reed once made minor-league hitters quiver], ESPN.com, Nov. 17, 2008; (2) [http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/94/recovering-reed-sets-tech-weight-lifting-mark Recovering Reed sets Tech weight-lifting mark], ESPN.com, July 28, 2008; (3) [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/USAToday/access/1585704711.html?dids=1585704711:1585704711&FMT=CITE&FMTS=CITE:FT&type=current&date=Oct+30%2C+2008&author=Erik+Brady&pub=USA+TODAY&desc=Texas+Tech+happily+lays+it+on+the+line&pqatl=google Texas Tech happily lays it on the line: Blockers aim to pave way vs. No. 1 Texas], USA Today, Oct. 30, 2008; (4) [http://www.chron.com/sports/college/article/Tech-s-Reed-goes-from-diamond-to-gridiron-1572830.php Tech's Reed goes from diamond to gridiron: From mound to mountain; Once a pitcher, Tech's Rylan Reed thrives at tackle], Houston Chronicle, November 18, 2008; (5) [http://lubbockonline.com/stories/100607/col_100607009.shtml Reed anchors Red Raiders' offensive front after his triumph against cancer], Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, Oct. 6, 2007; (6) [http://lubbockonline.com/stories/103108/spo_350207725.shtml Older, wiser Reed a steady influence for Red Raiders], Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, Oct. 31, 2008; (7) [http://www.kcbd.com/story/8749685/texas-tech-lineman-rylan-reed-bench-presses-625?redirected=true Texas Tech Lineman Rylan Reed Bench Presses 625], KCBD, July 28, 2008; (8) [http://www.arkansassports360.com/17149/crossett-native-rylan-reed-a-warrior-at-t-tech Crossett Native Rylan Reed a 'Warrior' at T-Tech], Arkansas Sports 360, (9) [http://www.chron.com/sports/college/article/From-baseball-to-battling-cancer-Texas-Tech-s-1838736.php From baseball to battling cancer, Texas Tech's Reed has thrived: For Tech's Reed, life is beautiful], Houston Chronicle, Oct. 9, 2007; (10) [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=CTPB&p_theme=ctpb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=125D704094CD41A0&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM Cancer scare led 'lucky' Reed to football], Connecticut Post, Jan 18, 2009; (11) [http://lubbockonline.com/stories/082108/spo_321300061.shtml Raiders tackle progressing well from ankle injury], Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, Aug. 21, 2008, (12) [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=ST&s_site=dfw&p_multi=ST&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=11DC905E83EAA7B0&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM Tackle hopes to find zone against touted Virginia DL], Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Dec. 26, 2007; (13) [http://www2.tricities.com/sports/2009/jan/02/preparation_make_perfect-ar-249155/ Preparation makes perfect], TriCities.com (Tennessee), Jan. 2, 2009; (14) [http://www.texastech.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072808aaa.html Texas Tech story about Reed shattering bench press record]; (15) [http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/01/17/sports/17-camp_feature.txt Reed has learned to just enjoy the ride: All-American has overcome cancer, tragedy], New Haven Register, Jan. 17, 2009; (16) "Live strong Reed, 26, overcomes cancer, tragedy to anchor Raiders' O-line," The Dallas Morning News, Sept. 4, 2008; (17) [http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/topstories/stories/090408dnspotechlede.3807e33.html Setbacks haven't stopped Texas Tech's Rylan Reed], Denton Record-Chronicle (reprinted from The Dallas Morning News), Sept. 3, 2008; (18) "Crossett's Reed Picks Baseball Over Hogs," Pine Bluff Commercial (Arkansas), Aug. 8, 2000; and (19) "Reed trades UA football for baseball," Southwest Times Record (Fort Smith, Ark.), Aug. 8, 2000. Throw in four years of minor league baseball as a pitcher summarized [http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=reed--001ryl here]. Add it all up and you've got a notable athlete. Cbl62 (talk) 23:25, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
• Reed is a great guy with a good character, but four years in the minor leagues doesn't make a person notable according to WP:BASEBALL/N. I can find 10 stories for almost any Division I-FBS football player, that doesn't make them notable. NThomas (talk) 23:56, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

::: It is actually a very small percentage (less than 1%) of college football players who receive the kind of extensive non-trivial coverage needed to satisfy either WP:NCOLLATH or WP:GNG. The few who do pass our standards. As for your claim, "I can find 10 stories for almost any Division I-FBS football player," it's just not so. Many players get the occasional routine passing reference in game coverage (or a stat line), but not this type of feature story coverage in national news media and major daily newspapers. And he was a first-team All-American to boot. Cbl62 (talk) 00:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Cbl62 (talk) 23:28, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

• Keep Meets WP:GNG with significant coverage in multiple source. While I often cite that GNG says that notability is only presumed, and allows that consensus can choose to override its acceptance critieria, this is not one of those cases. His WP:IMPACT is being a two-sport athlete (even if not at the top level) and his first-team All-American honors in his senior year after recovering from cancer.—Bagumba (talk) 00:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
• Keep - Easily meets GNG. Not only are there plenty of non-trivial articles, but there are several from non-local or national publications (New Haven Register, Connecticut Post, ESPN, etc.). cmadler (talk) 14:12, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
• Keep Sources above are enough to satisfy WP:GNG for me, which trumps WP:BASEBALL/N every day of the week. Agent Vodello^{OK, Let's Party, Darling!} 16:59, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
• Keep - Adequate coverage to meet WP:GNG. Rlendog (talk) 19:15, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
• Keep Passes WP:GNG.--Giants27(T|C) 04:56, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
• KeepPygmypony (talk) 03:14, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

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