Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sahod (song)

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I do not think this single by a little known Filipino singer meets our notability criteria. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:11, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 06:16, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. CptViraj (📧) 06:36, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

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Save. The article must not be deleted. This song is notable in such way that it appeared on several of the radio charts in the Philippines. The singer of the song, Lirah, is related to a more notable artist which is Gloc-9, who is also the composer of the song. Since Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, why not help me to make the song meets notability criteria? Jonathanmaria (talk) 09:15, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

:It's not Wikipedia's aim to make something notable, but to include articles on things that are already notable, as demonstrated by significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. See WP:NMUSIC, especially the criteria for singles. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:31, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

• Delete Don't think it passes WP:NSONG, and artist has no wikipedia entry. Has the single had significant sales? Hughesdarren (talk) 09:58, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
• Delete - The song can possibly be mentioned at the Gloc-9 article as a discography entry in which he made an appearance. For this song article to exist, we would first need some confirmation that the singer is notable, and she has not yet been covered in enough reliable sources as a singer in her own right. The same problem applies to the song too. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:01, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
• Comment. Sahod looks nice though with all the references and music infobox. It even has a picture. Though the singer, Lirah, doesn't have a page yet, the composer Gloc-9 is notable though as Jonathanmaria mentioned. Since the song is new, I don't think it has signifcant sales yet. The notability of the singer and the song is the issue here. I'm leaning to the weak keep but it's better just to comment and abstain my vote for now. —Allenjambalaya (talk) 11:43, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
• Save. I already edited the article to show that Lirah is notable. I added that Lirah is an actress and in fact a runner-up in a television reality-based singing talent show. I believe, that makes her notable. Jonathanmaria (talk) 03:55, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

::If Lirah is indeed notable, then there could be a biographical article about her. The notability of the singer does not necessarily translate into notability for the song, and the song article is under discussion here. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 14:45, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

• Save.Having a Wikipedia article on a person does not make the person notable. Besides, there are many notable personalities who do not have biographical article in Wikipedia. If the song is not notable, then why the credible news websites give time to create an article about the song and about Lirah? As Allenjambalaya commented, the song is new then it has no significant sales yet. Jonathanmaria (talk) 04:10, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

::This is the second vote by Jonathanmaria. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:11, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

• Weak delete. We are going now in circles here. As what DOOMSDAYER520 said, the notability of the song is the subject and not the singer. I checked the [https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Sahod+%28song%29%22+-wikipedia "google news"] and saw that the articles are press release of Lirah's comeback to the Philippine music industry and of course along with the song. According to WP:NMUSIC criteria for songs, should be independent of "press releases, or other publications where the artist, its record label, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the work". Using the criteria, the news references doesn't support the single's notability. Since the song is new and hasn't really gotten a lot of attention, it is not notable enough. I am now changing my previous position from a weak keep comment to weak delete position. At present, the single is a stub and it can be merged into Gloc-9's discography entry or to Lirah's if ever someone makes her a Wikipedia article. This can be put into a sandbox for the meantime if ever this gets deleted until it becomes notable enough here in Wikipedia.—Allenjambalaya (talk) 12:49, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

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