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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sailing, Sailing

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. JForget 00:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

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Unnotable children's song. Only reliable sources confirm it exists, which isn't in question. Fails WP:MUSIC and WP:N. CSD removed without comment. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:37, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep. The song has continuing popularity or at least recognition as a children's song. See [http://books.google.com/books?q=%22sailing%20sailing%20over%20the%20bounding%20main%22&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=N&tab=vp the numerous Google Books hits] for evidence. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:02, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep A well known song for 120 years. There are 3 verses in addition to the chorus. It is called a "well-known refrain" by "[http://books.google.com/books?id=jexTAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Sailing,+sailing+over+the+bounding+main%22&dq=%22Sailing,+sailing+over+the+bounding+main%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0 The dictionary of nautical literacy‎] (2001, p 320)" Notable things include those familiar to most people. [http://books.google.com/books?id=feIPAAAAIAAJ&q=%22Sailing,+sailing+over+the+bounding+main%22&dq=%22Sailing,+sailing+over+the+bounding+main%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0 Scribners magazine in 1937] said it was "that song all the little farm boys and girls sing so lustily in all the prairie schoolhouses in the west." When such a reliable source says something is notable, I do not feel that they have to gone at great length saying it is notable for it to be significant coverage. This song is in "[http://books.google.com/books?id=eoMLAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Sailing,+sailing+over+the+bounding+main%22&dq=%22Sailing,+sailing+over+the+bounding+main%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0 A second treasury of the familiar] (1950, p593)."‎ "[http://books.google.com/books?id=VhV1u2oIb-QC&pg=PA83&dq=%22Sailing,+sailing+over+the+bounding+main%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0#v=onepage&q=%22Sailing%2C%20sailing%20over%20the%20bounding%20main%22&f=false The American song reader"] (1997, page 83) says "Sailing" is one of the three stereotypical songs about life at sea, along with "Sailor's hornpipe" (familiar from Popeye cartoons) and "16 men on a dead man's chest." It is a stereotypical sea song very commonly used in books, movies and plays, such as "[http://books.google.com/books?id=y9wOAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA29&dq=%22Sailing,+sailing+over+the+bounding+main%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0#v=onepage&q=%22Sailing%2C%20sailing%20over%20the%20bounding%20main%22&f=false The time of your life]"(1983, act 3) by William Saroyan or "[http://books.google.com/books?id=HLZTpvrUu4UC&pg=PA104&dq=%22Sailing,+sailing+over+the+bounding+main%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0#v=onepage&q=%22Sailing%2C%20sailing%20over%20the%20bounding%20main%22&f=false Murder on the Potomac]" (1995, p104) by Margaret Truman, and countless others. Satisfies WP:N. The special notability guideline for songs seems aimed at modern recorded music, and not towards traditional songs. Edison (talk) 20:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
  • :It's unquestionably a famous song, but I still have doubts about its notability. It would be nice if there were any sources had more than a sentence or two about it. I'd suggest merging this to an article about James Frederick Swift/Godfrey Marks, but there doesn't seem to be much written about him either. Maybe there's a list of songs that would be appropriate to merge this to.--Chris Johnson (talk) 20:39, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep. A song known to every kid. Amazing to see this listed for nomination. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 23:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep - well known song dicussed in sources as noted above -- Whpq (talk) 16:21, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

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