Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samuel Andreyev

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no evidence of notability, WP:SOAP Acousmana 20:20, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Acousmana 20:20, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Ontario. Shellwood (talk) 20:39, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Scattered mentions of his compositions, nothing about him as a person. Oaktree b (talk) 23:17, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Fails GNG. Aoyoigian (talk) 05:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
• Delete. Nothing stated in the article is "inherently" notable enough under WP:NMUSIC to guarantee him a Wikipedia article just because he exists, but with three primary source footnotes and absolutely no third-party coverage in reliable sources shown at all, the article is not referenced even remotely well enough to claim that he would pass WP:GNG. Bearcat (talk) 15:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
• Keep It would seem that he meets WP:MUSICBIO due to his award of Grand Prix du concours Henri Dutilleux and I found a citation for and new article that I added [https://www.ludwig-van.com/toronto/2016/01/07/qa/ here]. Even tough it is an interview, the part that talks about the award is from the intro and not the interview itself, which is acceptable. The article still may need some trimming, but I am in support of keeping and improving. Zeddedm (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

::"Ludwig van Toronto" is not a reliable or notability-supporting source. It's a blog, not real media, and even if it were acceptable a person would still need more than just one acceptable source. NMUSIC does not just extend an automatic notability freebie to every winner of just any music award that exists: we extend that only to notable major awards that get widespread media coverage, like Junos or Grammys, not just to every music competition on earth. Bearcat (talk) 12:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

:::@{{u|Bearcat}} It’s not an award, but a music competition for composers (there’s an article on the competition on the French wiki). He placed first which means he passes criteria 9 of WP:MUSICBIO.4meter4 (talk) 09:56, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

::::Even music competitions still require reliable source coverage, not blogs or the competitions' own self-published websites about themselves, to support the statement before they count as notability claims, and even winners of music competitions that can be properly supported by a GNG-worthy source still can't have that be the only GNG-worthy source they have. Bearcat (talk) 14:51, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

:::::An independent ref was just added by Zeddedm, so that is no longer an issue. I'll point out that most published sources on this person are likely to be in French language publications. As such, locating RS may be more challenging for those unfamiliar with searching in French language media and academic journals.4meter4 (talk) 17:08, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

• :Comment: A better citation for his award and more indeth article is [https://www.lanouvellerepublique.fr/indre-et-loire/samuel-andreyev-laureat-du-prix-dutilleux here], which I just added. Zeddedm (talk) 09:40, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Lacks independent coverage establishing that WP:NBIO is met. MrsSnoozyTurtle
• Keep. Passes criteria 9 of WP:MUSICBIO for placing first in the :fr: Concours Dutilleux; which is a major international music competition for composers.4meter4 (talk) 09:56, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
• Keep - for the reasons set out above. (Though the sentence ending "... will be issued in the fall of 2021" needs attention, not only because that happened some time ago, but also because of WP:SEASON.) Tim riley talk 10:55, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
• Marginal keep per User:Tim riley.--Smerus (talk) 15:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
• Keep. He appears notable per the references cited. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 01:21, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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