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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sanae Shimomura

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to The two abandoned children of Osaka. arguably the delete consensus is invalid as it emerged before discussion on a redirect/merge. I'm going with redirect right now but see no reason why the redirect target cannot be nominated for proper discussion at any time. Spartaz Humbug! 03:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

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Article about non-notable person which contravenes WP:NOTNEWS --DAJF (talk) 09:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I have created an alternative article entitled The three abandoned children of Osaka which is generally identical but stripped of the names of individual persons. Therefore I concur with Eekster's proposal to delete the article Sanae Shimomura. I maintain a strong belief that this alternate article be retained in the interest of the ongoing dialectic of child abandonment in various cultures, not only in Japan. Additionally I feel strongly that this would serve the interest of free speech and the spirit of Wikipedia as an open forum for collaboration and assembly of facts. Thank you for your efforts to make Wikipedia better. Respectfully, Maximilian333 (talk) 01:52, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I maintain that the event itself is noteworthy based on striking similarities with several well documented and famous cases that have been the subject of national debate, books, movies, and documentaries in Japan.

Some examples of confined abandonment in Japan :

+ the real case of the four abandoned children of Sugamo

+ the case of the two abandoned children of Alberta. The Alberta case- very similar- is referenced in Wikipedia via the name of the convicted woman Rie Fujii}http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rie_Fujii.

+ Coin-operated locker babies as detailed in research such as http://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=153318, a type of baby hatch phenomenon unique to Japan where lockers known or thought to be checked by attendants according to schedules.

I agree that for now the name of the accused individual in this newest case is not crucial to the dialectic. Therefore the issue should be covered by my article the three abandoned children of Osaka. The accused person's name should not be needlessly flaunted in the interest of her privacy and that of her family given that she has not been convicted. It is quite obvious that this person was under many pressures in life whether or not they are guilty of anything. At the same time, the event is a front-page story that has been running in Japan for months because it very similar to the events of the affair of the four abandoned children of Sugamo, another case pertaining to a girl from this country living in Canada, and others. A disturbing trend with more than a small scattering of instances involving women abandoning children in Japan has made the general topic absolutely noteworthy. The film Nobody Knows (誰も知らない; Dare mo shiranai), translated into English and other languages, was based on the Sugamo incident and much has been said about these cases both on Wikipedia and in the media at large. My proposed solution: Perhaps this incident should be given a similar name so as to frame this event and include it in the cross-dialectic over this disturbing trend. I will lead the way and create an article focused on the phenomenon (not one that is unique to Japan or any other country, incidence in Japan is quite low compared to many other countries, Japan is trying hard to shed light on the issue to find solutions and has set up many policies that disincentivise the practice and create alternatives. My agenda here is to use this cases to help people inform themselves about prominent cases and link to related issues and associated efforts), not on the person. Maximilian333 (talk) 01:52, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

  • Delete for reasons given above. I have seen no evidence, by the way, of the enormous cultural influence of this event (one sensationalist movie does not establish that yet). Drmies (talk) 03:10, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

There is far more evidence supporting the claim that this event is important. Indeed more than than one "a sensationalist movie" that should be considered(Besides, the aforementioned movie actually cast the story in a less grim light, making it more palatable to the public than the real story- more toward the opposite effect of "de"sensationalization. For example in that movie one boy fell accidentally from a window when in reality he had been killed).

I have no hidden agenda in writing this article. Child abuse is less common in Japan than many other countries including China, Taiwan, and the United States and the Japanese government is proactive in preventing these cases from happening.

I suspect some amount of bias toward their goal of rapidly deleting this article. Please consider fairly. There are plenty of academic journal articles on the subject even if this specific case is too new to be documented as prominently as those similar cases have been. This is one negative event in Japan, but Japanese society and government do react in many positive address to fix problems like this- those are what I hope will eventually be explored as the article is developed and I will try to link those in as well.

Evidence:

  • [http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a746674606 Child abandonment: The abandoned expression of abuse and neglect]|]]
  • [http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B8CY1-4TT71C5-1&_user=10&_coverDate=02/28/2009&_alid=1424006595&_rdoc=11&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_cdi=40101&_sort=r&_docanchor=&view=c&_ct=755&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=7cda3fa50afead08a30b45a5a668923f Filicide and fatal abuse in Japan, 1994–2005: Temporal trends and regional distribution]
  • [http://books.google.com/books?id=yl5eEfLnMkAC&pg=PA122&lpg=PA122&dq=child+abandonment+Japan&source=bl&ots=RtR2W-_pdo&sig=ppEqx9w0Q-TorhQFygtvBoDgGFs&hl=en&ei=DnldTNfVMYecsQPElKWpCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDMQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=child%20abandonment%20Japan&f=false%20 Child abuse and neglect: cross-cultural perspectives]

One additional point: A phenomenon need not have enormous cultural influence in order to be important and noteworthy. Lady Gaga exerts powerful cultural influence and has a Wikipedia page, after all- but I don't think she is important in the grand scheme of things! If cultural influence were the measure of importance in this world, we would be in very big trouble indeed. Nor must Cultural influence in one country reach the united states or the UK to be important.

Maximilian333 (talk) 15:33, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:49, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

  • Redirect. Now that a separate article has been created at The two abandoned children of Osaka, I think it is more appropriate to redirect this article to that one rather than deleting it outright. --DAJF (talk) 06:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment. These articles are a package deal - either they both stay or both go. Since The three abandoned children of Osaka, which redirects to The two abandoned children of Osaka was created from this article, the attribution history here would need to be retained by a redirect or a revision merge. Having said all that, I think they all should go. This is a news story, and NOTNEWS squarely applies. There has not been enough coverage to show that there is lasting impact from this incident. The article tries to point to a larger cultural debate about hospitals accepting newborns who are unwanted by their parents, but the no sources I can find make that connection here, it is synthesis. I do think that the discussion Maximilian333 points to is a topic that probably could support an article, and if a source then connects Shimomura to that discussion, the content could be included there. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 14:30, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.