Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sand Castles (film)

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The latest attempt to use Wikipedia to promote Sand Castles. Previously deleted from Sand Castles: A Story of Family and Tragedy (afd). This film has been released and been shown at some film festivals but it's still not notable. There is a lack of reviews from reliable sources ([http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sand_castles/ eg]). None of the festivals it's shown at are major. None of the awards it's been nominated for or won are major awards. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:16, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

• Weak keep. I did manage to find some local coverage and some mention of the awards and if it was just that then I'd probably be a little more likely to vote "delete", but I did manage to find one sole review for the film. I found one more at Film Pulse, but I'm not sure if that'd be a reliable source or not. They do have an editorial staff and the review is written by a staff member so I'm leaning towards it being usable, but I'm not certain enough so I've placed it in the EL section. However with the one lone review and the coverage so far I think that there's enough here for a weak keep overall. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:07, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

:*Saw that one linked from imdb but dismissed it based in part on [http://filmpulse.net/about/]. A look at WP:RSN came up empty. Todd Willcox shows no sign of being a professional film critic. duffbeerforme (talk) 16:08, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

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:({{Find sources AFD|Clenét Verdi-Rose, Sand Castles}})

:({{Find sources AFD|Jordon Hodges, Sand Castles}})

:({{Find sources AFD|Anne Winters, Sand Castles}})

• Keep No more a "promotion" than any other sourced neutral article on Wikipedia. While in 2013, it was TOO SOON for this article, I stated then that it might meet notability standards after it was released to festivals, and am happy that it's time has finally come. WP:NF is finally met.[http://www.midamericafilmmakers.org/goshen-native-to-film-sand-castles-locally-in-october/][http://www.elkharttruth.com/living/2012/10/18/Goshen-native-returns-home-to-film-drama.html][http://www.the-papers.com/OnlineIssue.aspx?pub=thepaper&ed=elk][https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Sand+Castles%2C+Jordon+Hodges%22&tbm=nws][https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Sand+Castles%2C+Clen%C3%A9t+Verdi-Rose%22&tbm=nws] Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 08:37, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

:*"No more a "promotion"". Not true. This is a repost from "an Executive of Oceanus Pictures which owns Sand Castles" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Duffbeerforme&diff=prev&oldid=531701734] using another sockpuppet (SPI). Part of their promotional campaign [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADuffbeerforme&diff=531708772&oldid=526526457] " That is part of a marketing game plan. It's on IMDb, Wiki, we have a website, all we want for now." Stop rewarding bad faithed editing. Delete Spam. duffbeerforme (talk) 15:47, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

:*On your sources. 1. MAF is not an independent reliable source. They are a organization promoting regionally made films. 2. another local puff piece from the creators home town. 3. assuming it's another local puff piece from the creators home town. link goes to current issue were I see no mention of Sand Castles. Did you mean another issue? (Sample feature article "Preschool teacher enters the world of her students" about "Your neighbor" who works at a local preschool.) 4. ??Really?? A link to a google search. I thought better of you. For me it comes up with imdb led in by "Your search - "Sand Castles, Jordon Hodges" - did not match any news results.". You really included that???? 5. Another google search. Have you been hijacked? "Your search - "Sand Castles, Clenét Verdi-Rose" - did not match any news results." followed by a facebook link. Seriously what's up?. duffbeerforme (talk) 15:57, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

• Delete per nom; another indy that has so far failed to attract a distribution partner for wide release (and while it may in the future, for now it's WP:Too soon). With the exception of a small local paper excited about the filming around town, there's nothing aside from film site tout material. Pax 18:06, 24 January 2015 (UTC) Pax 18:06, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
• Keep Like mentioned above, I managed to find quite of bit of articles and talk about the film and Sand Castles (film) has been edited with more notable and efficient sources since AfD started and WP:NF is met. Also, since this discussion began, the film was announced alongside other notable films to be showcased in February at the 21st Sedona International Film Festival [http://www.sedonafilmfestival.org/SIB/files/GRID%20-%20Official%2015.pdf][http://www.sedonafilmfestival.org/Page.asp?NavID=162]. Though a film's trailer popularity doesn't say if a film is notable or not, I think it is worth mentioning that the film's trailer was recently released and has tens of thousands of views already on one of many channels.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ywmnst3zGgl] Johnnylego88 (talk) 20:25, 30 January 2015 (UTC) — Johnnylego88 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. (SPI).duffbeerforme (talk) 04:20, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

• Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2015 January 31. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 13:25, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

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