Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah June

:{{la|Sarah June}} ([{{fullurl:Sarah June|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah June}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

Non-notable musician. I asked the original contributor for some reliable sources, but none are forthcoming. A Google search for /"sarah june" "This is My Letter to the World" -wikipedia/ comes up with only 60 hits. A Google search for /"Hand/Eye Records" -wikipedia/ only comes up with 44 hits. None of them a reliable source. There are zero Google hits for either search on Google news archive. AnyPerson (talk) 03:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

• Weak Delete. When I googled it, it only showed [http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=260876595 a MySpace page] and [http://sarahjune.com/ a page that tell you to go to the MySpace]. I don't see much significance. K50 Dude ROCKS! 04:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

::P.S....When I googled it [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS259US260&q=Sarah+June&btnG=Search here] I got 23.7 Million hits. Not to mention the Wikipedia article was the 8^TH down the list... K50 Dude ROCKS! 04:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:::That's not a reliable search. Use quote marks. See the search terms I used above. AnyPerson (talk) 07:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

• keep I am the original contributor for this page. I apologize for not be forthcoming with your requests. I am new to Wikipedia editing and am still trying to find my way around. More verifiable sources will be forthcoming soon and I hope that the page will be given the time to grow. Kalki2112 (talk) 04:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Kalki2112

keep hello. if one does a search for the artist name and the album ("sarah june "this is my letter to the world") many sites come up. see this link to the search results:

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS262&q=%22sarah+june%22+%22this+is+my+letter+to+the+world%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f

this is a signed artist, on itunes, amazon, etc. etc. this is a new artist, but a notable artist who has had many reviews, radio play, published magazine interviews, etc.

Shoo gaze (talk) 06:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:— Shoo gaze (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. - Which reliable links are in that Google search? AnyPerson (talk) 07:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

• Weak delete Artist does not appear to have received substantial independent coverage from reliabe sources. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

comment hello AnyPerson and ChildofMidnight, i am new to editing, however, i can provide what i believe to be reliable links, but of course this is up to the discretion of the wiki community. here are links that are reliable:

• amoeba music (a very famous record store and label - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoeba_Music) chose this artist's album as one of their 2008 featured artists:

http://www.amoeba.com/music/music-we-like/2008-fall/short-list/sarah-june/this-is-my-letter-to-the-world.html

• also this artist is reviewed in this article, also by amoeba in hollywood:

http://www.amoeba.com/blog/2008/08/pen-is-mightier-than-the-sword/out-today-8-19-.html

• this artist is a signed artist to a record label in establishment for over a decade - see amazon.com page with CD info: http://www.amazon.com/This-Letter-World-Sarah-June/dp/B001CLG7AI/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1231918004&sr=8-1

i hope this helps any :)

Shoo gaze (talk) 07:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:Nobody is trying to say that the person and her work don't exist, we're still looking for sources which meet Wikipedia criteria at WP:RS. Having a download on iTunes or a CD or amazon or a record for sale at amoeba music aren't sources which can be used to write an article from. And the amoeba.com/blog link isn't reliable, as blogs are not considered reliable sources, under most circumstances. AnyPerson (talk) 00:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

hello :) i understand - although besides the amoeba.com blog, the amoeba.com site specifically chose this artist as a notable new artist for 2008. the amoeba.com blog just details the artists they choose as notable new releases. amoeba.com is definitely a reliable site (one of the external links on the article shows this artist's album on the amoeba site). this artist is also a signed artist. i see many other "indie" artists who have wiki pages that are not signed, have no references for verification, and are still up. i'm not trying to argue - just trying to figure out why this is. i searched around a bit today and saw a lot of artists that are relatively "unknown" who have pages. this artist is a new artist who is quickly gaining notoriety in independent and alternative music circles. thank you for your consideration on this :) Shoo gaze 00:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

:Presumably, artists who are not signed have either 1-got reliable sources to show why they meet notability standards, or 2-nobody has gotten around to nominating them for deletion. But that's neither here nor there, as this discussion concerns this article. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. AnyPerson (talk) 00:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

::hello again :) i appreciate your comments. as i said, i am new to the specifics of wikipedia. this artist has many reviews online, is in magazines, and these reviews are indeed on reliable websites, as in they are edited, checked, have been in existence for some time, etc. given time, i believe this page will be able to site many credible sources. this is a very new page, and i hope perhaps that it could be given a chance to be edited, as new users are trying to create this page. i do understand your comments. again - i am not trying to argue at all. i am new to this, and hope to assist the original writer of this article in correctly siting sources per wikipedia's standards.Shoo gaze00:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.64.125 (talk)

:comment hello - i am only attempting to help save this page, as i felt it would contribute to wikipedia, as this artist does have a sizable fan-base. my comments are only in good faith, and i do want to learn how to assist in editing this page so that it meets wikipedia standards. thank you - the information you have provided is helping me to understand wikipedia's guidelines. Shoo gaze (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.64.125 (talk) 00:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

There are additional reviews and interviews coming out for this artist. I believe that the coming months will be very active in regards to press. I was made aware of a new one today. It is in the form of a review and I am not sure if this source meets the requirements for citation or not. As the original contributor I would like to see other with more skill that me to have the opportunity to contribute. Here is the link for the latest release. {http://www.digitalisindustries.com/foxyd/reviews.php?which=3982}. Kalki2112 (talk) 02:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Kalki2112

:An article still needs reliable sources to write a biography from, not a reviews page. AnyPerson (talk) 00:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

:: hello :) the record label has the official "one sheet" which is the bio of the artist that is sent to domestic and international distributors. i will re-check the page to be sure the bio cites references from the record label's bio, which is the official bio from which all other reviews, magazines, interviews, etc. get their information. Shoo gaze (talk) 03:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Record label data doesn't meet the reliability standard. AnyPerson (talk) 03:16, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

::::ok - i just made some new edits to the page. i am not the initial writer of the article but am trying to assist. i hope my edits help. i am working to flesh out this article... bear with me :)Shoo gaze (talk) 03:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

::hi again. i am working to get the biography nailed down, with all of the appropriate references. bear with me, and the original author of this article, and we will get the necessary edits worked on . thank you for your input. new edits to this page are in the works. Shoo gaze (talk) 03:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

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