Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sess (producer)

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Subject of the article fails WP:GNG & WP:INDEPTH as he has not recieved significant coverage in reliable press. Furthermore the few sources which discuss him all look like bare mentions as none really discuss him in details. Also it is imperative to review the awards he won (Two in number, as per article) as this Awards were issued to him by non-notable organization in Nigeria. A strong delete !vote is what i propose as this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. Celestina007 (talk) 12:25, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

• Comment @{{u|CAPTAIN RAJU}} please do help me by placing this deletion discussion into the diverse categories that best suits it. i find it quite tedious, thanks.Celestina007 (talk) 12:25, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:27, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:27, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Strong DeleteDelete: Promotional non-notable article. Most of the content are incorrect and the reliable references in the article make no mention of the artiste. The other award he won (supported by primary sources) isn't notable at all! Darreg (talk) 19:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@{{u|Darreg}} How exactly is most of the content "incorrect"? And you should do a quick search on Google before you decide an award "isn't notable." And every reference listed is either to an interview about him or about his work. Keep MayowaGeorge (talk) 09:46, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

::@{{u|MayowaGeorge}} Firstly, notability is based on significant coverage in reliable sources not Google hits even though that may be a pointer to it. I just spent the last few minutes doing research on this producer and I still think he isn't notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia atm. When we talk of reliable sources we are speaking of newspaper websites and web portals with editorial board. Most of the references you included, aren't reliable, However, I found some reliable sources on him from the internet, which you should consider adding to the article if you want it to be kept. I also did some finding on Beatz award and discovered only two editions has been held and even though there are reliable references that documents the award winners, the award ceremony in itself isn't notable or even weakly notable to confer notability on its winners. The factual accuracy of this article amongst other things was what prompted me to !vote for its deletion. You need a strong source to use words like "a multiple award winning music producer" (can you really call a Nigerian artiste a multiple award winning producer if he has not won/nom best producer for The Headies or Nigeria Entertainment Awards?), "He is a versatile producer, having produced beats across numerous genres such as Hip hop, Afrobeat, R&B, Afro House and more", "Sess began to draw attention and praise in the music industry for his creative beats", " He went on to produce 5 more songs for the album, including Soft Work, which is widely regarded as Falz's most commercially successful song", "Sess became one of the country's most sought-after young producers. ", "He's been particularly praised for his unique style of beat-making", "His collaborations with Falz continued to be successful in 2017". Many of these statements are both literally and factually incorrect. If you can clarify these words with reliable sources and add the reliable sources that are not included in the article I might just give you a weak keep. For now, my findings have prompted me to change to an ordinary delete. Darreg (talk) 09:49, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

• Delete. The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. He has not gained significant coverage to warrant stand-alone inclusion. The fact that the subject has worked with notable artists doesn't make him notable.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 23:57, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

• Comment subject of article does not pass primary notability requirement such as WP:BASIC , WP:GNG talk less of WP:MUSICBIO article's subject simply has not received significant coverage due to the fact he is a paradigm of WP:NotJustYet. The creator of this article need not feel bad or as though they are oppressed, the problem is the subject of article, he simply does not yet merit a stand alone article.Celestina007 (talk) 21:5, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
• Delete: per nom, clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Waggie (talk) 02:46, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
• Keep and restructure Due to poor coverage of record producers by the Nigerian media, I think the subject meets at least two criteria from Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Others. Aside the promotional wordings which I think should be copy-edited, these sources quite prove notability [http://www.pulse.ng/buzz/sess-the-problem-kid-this-producer-is-a-hero-for-giving-away-free-music-id6116055.html], [http://www.pulse.ng/buzz/pulse-list-2016-best-5-nigerian-music-producers-of-2016-id5922512.html], [http://www.pulse.ng/buzz/sess-beats-meet-producer-behind-falzs-biggest-hit-songs-id6710247.html], [http://www.okayafrica.com/interview/sess-problem-kid-prblm-mixtape-download/].

::I just found out the the creator has WP:COI issues. He is a blogger for 360Nobs.—Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 22:11, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

:::Please what is the link between 360nobs and a music producer, Sess? Correct me if I'm wrong but 360nobs is an entertainment site, the author of this article is a music producer. Does that automatically mean there is a COI, or is there something I'm missing? So if I write for Complete Sports, does that mean COI applies to me if I want to create Enyimba F.C. article? Or if I'm a writer for Hollywood Reporter, does that mean I can't create articles for Hollywood actors. Please don't take this wrongly, this is an honest question. The tone of the article is promotional but I didn't think it was because of COI reasons. Darreg (talk) 00:30, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

::::Man you should Google the search words "Wana 360nobs" and "Mayowa George", you'll find a common link to 360Nobs. What I'm trynna point out is that as a music blogger, he might know Sess personally hence the COI suspicion. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 07:38, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

:::::For the sake of not going off-topic, this will be my final reply on the COI issue. I have Googled him, and I still think if he edited a 360nob wiki article, or it is established that 360nob is somehow connected to Sess or anything that concerns his career, then I will agree that a COI exist. He even writes on variety of topics, not just music. So I still maintain my earlier assertion.

:::::I'm an advocate of Wikipedians writing on topics they are knowledgeable about. That is how we can have quality articles on WP. I know how unfortunate it can get when I engage in a content dispute with an editor with little or no knowledge in my area of specialization. Especially when such editor is a newbie or an oldie that isn't properly grounded in WP policies.Darreg (talk) 11:11, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

:@{{u|Oluwa2Chainz}} If he does not have significant coverage in reliable media, it simply is too soon for him to own a stand alone article on the encylopedia.

:This record producer; Don Jazzy seems to be a Nigerian record producer with well furnished reliable sources in his article. I'm sorry but double standards and special treatment isn't a feature of wikipedia editing. A strong delete !vote! is still best applicable.Celestina007 (talk) 6:59, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

• Delete There simply aren't strong enough sources to clearly demonstrate notability and pass the criteria for inclusion at this time. Checking for conflicts with one source wasn't promising. In a nutshell, everything must pass WP:GNG and this doesn't. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 20:27, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
• delete could not find coverage required to establish GNG. Sources in article fall short.Dlohcierekim (talk) 08:14, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

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