Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seyhan Soylu

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The subject doesn't seem to be notable and the article has been unsourced for a long time. Keivan.f^Talk 23:49, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 05:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 05:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

• Keep - The one source in the article is significant coverage. Beyond that, sources are in Turkish. A simple google news search returns a lot of hits for her name. It's tough using machine translation but there is [https://www.cnnturk.com/yasam/bir-donemin-unlu-ismiydi-iste-seyhan-soylunun-son-hali?page=1 this] CNN Turkey item and [https://www.haberler.com/sisi-lakapli-seyhan-soylu-saadet-partisi-nden-10822055-haberi/ this] item abouther running for some sort of political office. Somebody proficient in the Turkish language would likely be able to better sort through search results for better sources. -- Whpq (talk) 01:06, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

::We could use the Turkish Wikipedia article for that but no such article exists. -The Gnome (talk) 20:51, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

• Delete since subject fails WP:NACTOR and WP:CREATIVE. The single available source is a Spiegel [https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/choosing-my-religion-turkish-reality-tv-show-aims-to-convert-non-believers-a-640715.html article] about a show and not the subject. -The Gnome (talk) 20:51, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

:*Following the significant improvement of the article's citations undertaken by Mccapra, I'm compelled to change my suggestion to Keep. -The Gnome (talk) 19:48, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

• Keep Whpq raises good points that argue for inclusion. I'd add that for someone who identifies as non-binary on the gender spectrum in some way (cross-dressing openly counts in my book) in a country like Turkey to achieve a professional status that allows for journalistic coverage and political candidacy implies its own notoriety. The lack of an article at Turkish Wikipedia is a non-factor precisely because of the aforementioned cultural considerations, IMO. — ⚞ 🐈ℛogueScholar  ₨Talk🗩 ⚟ File:Noto Emoji Pie 1f607.svg Special:Contributions/RogueScholar File:OpenMoji-color 1F608-cropped.svg 03:58, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

::Greetings, RogueScholar. Essentially you're arguing that there must be sources and that the article's subject is notable by default. But this line of argument cannot be used in AfD discussions. -The Gnome (talk) 10:33, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

• Keep I can see plentiful sources in Turkish. Mccapra (talk) 06:23, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

::Greetings, Mccapra. Care to present here and or add to the article these "plentiful sources", please? It'd help the AfD a lot. So far, we have a single, non-source cited.-The Gnome (talk) 10:33, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

:::OK I'll compile a list. Mccapra (talk) 10:57, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

:::Here we go:

:::* National Daily Hurriyet has 180 news items including Seyhan Soylu, including [http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/seyhan-soylu-kimdir-9930532 this] and [http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/ekonomi/seyhan-soylunun-kanalina-icra-takibi-40105173 this]

:::* National daily Cumhuriyet has [http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/video/video/1449965/Sisi__sessizligini_bozdu.html this]

:::* National daily Milliyet has archive articles on her going back 32 years [http://gazetearsivi.milliyet.com.tr/Seyhan%20Soylu/ here]

:::Other news items about her include [https://www.internethaber.com/sisi-saadet-partisinden-aday-adayi-oldu-niyeti-ne-1869063h.htm this] and [https://www.gercekgundem.com/guncel/108421/sisi-olarak-taninan-seyhan-soyludan-carpici-aciklamalar-fetullah-gulen-bacaklarimi-oksadi this]

:::There are numerous book references as well, many of which seem to be about her political activities, but as they are in snippet view it is hard to evaluate them. Mccapra (talk) 11:47, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

:::*Thank for the effort, Mccapra. Seeing as you obviously are conversant in Turkish could you now incorporate these sources into the article? -The Gnome (talk) 14:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

::::*Ummm, maybe. That's quite a lot of work I hadn't counted on doing, so yes probably, but not any time soon. Mccapra (talk) 16:34, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

::::*Ok I’ve put in the main ones. Mccapra (talk) 19:26, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

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