Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sherrard Harrington

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This seems to fail both WP:NGRIDIRON, WP:PROMO, and WP:GNG. He never even appeared in a game for Colorado due to injury as far as I can tell (searched sports-reference.com) and there's only one article on his business career I would categorise as non-promotional. It feels as if this article was created to highlight his (unfortunately, due to injuries) non-existent college career in order to promote the business side. SportingFlyer T·C 03:19, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

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• Delete I've got several independent issues with this article. First problem: the sources either seem to be transactional/injury/statistics (which don't establish notability or "and finally" type articles (my opinion) that also don't establish notability. To me, that leads to a failure of WP:GNG and virtually any other notability standard. That is something that could be fixed if it exists and is found. Second problem: As written, the style and content of the article appear to be written as a promotion (violates policy WP:PROMO). Third problem: The sources for a lot of the information appear to be blog-type or fan-based, which doesn't really fit in line with the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. Fourth problem: Each of those (1-3) are independent on their own and reason to delete (fixing one leaves the other 2) but they also combine to problems with biographies of living persons, especially the verifiability. Those are my big concerns with this article as it is written.--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:40, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Delete. The 1,400-word feature story on Harrington from The Denver Post ([https://www.denverpost.com/2013/07/19/former-cu-cornerback-and-current-student-moves-from-field-to-boardroom/ here]) plainly represents significant coverage in a reliable, independent source. That said, WP:GNG requires such coverage in multiple reliable sources. {{ping|Rosinant de Lamancha}} If other examples of significant coverage are presented, I could be persuaded to change my vote. Cbl62 (talk) 13:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep. I disagree on it failing WP:NGRIDIRON, WP:PROMO, and WP:GNG. The sources are transactional/injury-related due to the outcome of his career in Colorado. He never participated but he was on the roster, according to ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Colorado_Buffaloes_football_team]). Regarding the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy, ([https://www.denverpost.com/2013/07/19/former-cu-cornerback-and-current-student-moves-from-field-to-boardroom/ here]) and ([https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/7439086/justin-combs-angus-t-jones-entertainment-company-tonite]) are credible sources in the entertainment space. 2kxericthomas (talk) 14:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC) — 2kxericthomas (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• FYI -- Not participating but on the roster is exactly the reason the subject fails WP:NGRIDIRON.--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:25, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Interesting first few edits to the project as well. SportingFlyer T·C 22:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• -- I am a native of Colorado and 40 year season ticket holder I have seen this kid play; he definitely pass WP:NGRIDIRON and WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CryptoGirl79 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• WP:IKNOWIT is specifically listed as an argument to avoid in deletion discussions because of subjective importance. That's not a reason that Wikipedia should consider.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:48, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable - a couple of feel good stories in a local newspaper does not notability make. VViking_TalkEdits 14:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
• Delete Unfortunately the subject does not pass WP:NGRIDIRON, or WP:GNG. He would need one or the other and he has neither. Lightburst (talk) 04:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep. I found sources from NFL players and celebrities talking about this guy's business career and athletic career. He definitely played at Colorado ([https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/article_20f822f7-a90b-578a-a8fc-cb324e19d1d6.html]) and ([https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/7439086/justin-combs-angus-t-jones-entertainment-company-tonite]). This fits with [WP:NGRIDIRON]] WP:GNG — Preceding unsigned comment added by CryptoGirl79 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 14 November 2019 (UTC) — CryptoGirl79 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Keep. Wow this dude recruited Stefon Diggs, that is pretty impressive! (Proud Vikes fan YAYYY!!) ([https://bleacherreport.com/articles/716308-colorado-football-why-buffs-are-still-chasing-2011-wide-receiver-recruits]). I do not think this is a promotional article WP:PROMO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigWriterTicket46 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 14 November 2019 (UTC) — BigWriterTicket46 (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of CryptoGirl79 (talk • contribs).
• Note to closer: All three "Keep" voters (2kxericthomas, CryptoGirl79, and BigWriterTicket46) are new users whose first and only edits relate to this AfD. Moreover, two of them have now been blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry. User talk:CryptoGirl79 and User talk:BigWriterTicket46. Cbl62 (talk) 18:58, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Keep. I understand that as a creator of the page, I probably have less weight in this discussion. Nevertheless, I’d like to mention a few important (in my humble opinion) things:

1) The former player appears on the Wikipedia page of his team as a defensive player because he had played a few games and had been a significant player before he was hurt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Colorado_Buffaloes_football_team

2) The nature of the sportspeople biographies indicates that their achievements are mostly mentioned during the description of the games along with the other players, which means they are mostly “mentioned”. This is exactly the reason why I found so many links but only 3-4 comprehensive articles.

3) Yet, Harrington still has for at least 2 comprehensive stories where he is told about in detail: https://www.denverpost.com/2013/07/19/former-cu-cornerback-and-current-student-moves-from-field-to-boardroom/ https://www.dailycamera.com/2012/08/13/football-cu-buffs-harrington-working-his-way-back/

I believe that it is possible to find 2-3 more sources in detail and I can try to do so.

4) Regarding promotional info: I haven’t found anything in particular but if you indicate what is promotional, I’m ready to remove it.

5) Generally speaking, I propose to cut and make this article “a stub” (if possible) and leave the most relevant references. If it becomes a stub, I’m ready to work on the article and improve it according to the reviewers suggestions in the coming 3-4 months. I just need more time for it as I have many other things to do in my life. This person’s career seems to be dynamic and evolving and to leave it is as “a stub” is probably a more constructive way to deal with it than to completely eliminating the page. Overall, I’m a rather new user here and these things discourage to do anything else after so much work.--Rosinant de Lamancha (talk) 20:08, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

:Response - 1. He appears on the page because that is a list of everyone on the roster.

: SeeWP:NCOLLATH

:2 - this is the reason the individual needs significant coverage, as just being on the team does not indicate notability.

:3 - I don't see multiple published, just the two and they seem more like fluff feel good local hero type and not significant coverage.

:4 - I would need to re-read the article to determine if and where promotional is, and I don't want to do that right now so I won't be adding anything to that.

:5 - I don't agree with making it a stub, as the individual does not seem to be notable based on Wikipedia's requirements so a stub would be inappropriate. VViking_TalkEdits 20:39, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Keep. I found two sources that are good (Denver Post and Daily Camera) and I agree that many sportsmen are mentioned during the games and less likely to have more comprehensive articles. It is the same with scientists or prominent doctors who can have a lot of publications but rarely get a comprehensive article.

I think that this article deserves to stay as a stub under condition that someone improves it. We have many stubs on Wikipedia with one source or even with no sources at all, yet they exist as stubs and can be expanded in the future. Deleting is always easier than creating but it is not always the best way to deal with new articles on Wikipedia.Vlahorba (talk) 02:09, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

:*Your fifth edit was to a socked AfD - hmmm... SportingFlyer T·C 03:10, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

::*Fishy indeed. Blocked for WP:UPE. MER-C 17:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• Delete as likely paid-for spam. In fact, it is highly likely given the socking, the other article created by the author (Jesse Kay) and the quality of the keep voters here. I've blocked the author for WP:UPE. MER-C 17:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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