Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sinem Saniye

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My speedy deletion tag was removed with the claim that her album is sold on amazon. That is no proof that she passes WP:BAND, she should have been deleted, not left standing, unless reliable sources as to notability are provided. Woogee (talk) 20:24, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

• Can someone tell me how the hell this doesn't meet A7? Simply releasing an album isn't enough to dodge A7, unlike someone keeps trying to tell me on IRC. Any moron can release an album. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 21:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
• Agreed, speedy delete. Hairhorn (talk) 23:20, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
• Delete Almost speedied this myself after checking the article and a quick search, but checking the article history suggests that there may be something. Enlighten us, please? - 2/0 (cont.) 23:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

:*MuZemike is under the false assumption that releasing an album is enough to dodge A7. He's wrong baby wrong baby wrong. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 00:51, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:53, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
• Delete I would think this would be an A7 - no reliable sources, doesn't say if the album is on a notable label. Clubmarx (talk) 01:35, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
• Comment I know that standards for notability/albums probably wont allow her to stay here, but ive added what i could find to help establish notability if possible. the album is actually quite fantastic (found it by accident at a thrift store), and she appears to be starting a tour this year. perhaps we can keep it a bit to see if notability is about to hit. ill accept if it doesnt make notability.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
• Comment - since my position has been misrepresented on my talk page, let me explain. I declined the speedy deletion because, in my view, it was not appropriate. The threshold for declining a speedy is considerably lower than for establishing notability. I did not say that the subject meets WP:Band nor that she meets general notability guidelines.In addition to launching an album, available on Amazon, she has secured a number of awards, as now added to the page, is having a wide US tour, and there are several references [http://news.google.co.uk/archivesearch?q=%22Sinem+Saniye%22&btnG=Search&um=1&ned=uk&hl=en&scoring=a here]. In my view, though this may not be sufficient to establish notability, it is enough to avoid a speedy. Speedy deletions take place without community consensus and should only be enacted in the clearest cases. This is echoed in the guidelines which state "Administrators should take care not to speedy delete pages or media except in the most obvious cases". Where there is any doubt then an XFD discussion is appropriate. Finally, if anyone disagrees then the way forward is for the page to be retagged to look for an admin who might see things differently. TerriersFan (talk) 16:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

• Comment - A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria:

1. Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable.

• This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries

YES- Sinem has been written about in TimeOUT NY, Global Rhythm Magazine, The Village Voice.

9. Has won or placed in a major music competition. YES- Sinem Saniye won the *Grand Prize* in the International John Lennon Songwriting Competition. Started by Yoko Ono. Nearly 20,000 people applied.

In fact here are Sinem's songwriting awards list:

2009 Indi Music TV "Artist of the Season"

2008 Song of the Year (supporter of VH-1 Save the Music) Finalist

2008 Billboard World Song Contest Winner

2008 Mountain Stage NewSong Contest Finalist (NorthEast region)

2008 UK Songwriting Contest Finalist

2007 Lennon Award Winner

2006 *Grand Prize Winner* John Lennon Songwriting Competition

2005 International Songwriting Competition

10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. SINEM's music on rotation on Delta Airlines, 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baxoy (talk • contribs) 21:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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