Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Skate punk (2nd nomination)

:{{la|Skate punk}} ([{{fullurl:Skate punk|wpReason={{urlencode:AfD discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Skate punk (2nd nomination)}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

• Delete, I've heard this term before, but don't think it warrants its own article. How is it any different from regular punk music other than a few songs might mention skateboarding? This seems about as notable as terms like orgcore or ramonescore, or other so called subgenres that don't warrant their own pages. Hoponpop69 (talk) 16:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
• Possible Merge, or delete. This genre does not warrant its own article. ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ ^{Drop me a line}_{Review Me!} 16:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Appears to be a well-established and widely-discussed subgenre. Is mentioned specifically in the Punk rock article and is listed as a subgenre in the {{Punk}} infobox. -- Dominus (talk) 19:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
• And, I should add, no legitimate rationale for deletion was advanced by the nominator. -- Dominus (talk) 19:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

:*Where are you getting that its a widely discussed subgenre? Hardcore or Pop punk are widely discussed subgenres, but skate punk?

::Also Wikipedia:Notability (music) does not list criteria for genre, so I'm basing the rational off of Wikipedia:Notability, as it does not seem the article has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.Hoponpop69 (talk) 19:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

::* A fair question. I got it from Special:WhatLinksHere/Skate_punk. Many of those links result from its inclusion in {{Punk}}, but many do not. It was clear that hundreds of different Wikipedia articles were discussing or at least mentioning skate punk, so I concluded that it was widely discussed".

::: However, since you asked, I did a Google News search and found over 1,000 results; scanning the first page suggested that most of these were indeed referring to the musical subgenre and not to skate punks themselves. Top hit is from a 2003 USA Today article; #2 hit from a 2000 Seattle Post-Intelligencer article specifically about the subject. Hit #80 is from a 1995 Rolling Stone article. The phenomenon clearly exists, has done for a significant amount of time, and is widely-recognized.

::: Now where are you getting that it is not a widely-discussed genre? -- Dominus (talk) 20:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I suggest a reading of the discussion in the previous AFD for this article; it may be enlightening. The argument was unanimously in favor of keeping the article, and the nominator withdrew the nomination as an error. -- Dominus (talk) 20:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Um I got just 16 news articles when I did a google news search [http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&nolr=1&q=%22skate+punk%22&btnG=Search].Hoponpop69 (talk) 22:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
• : That's 16 articles in the "past month". -- Dominus (talk) 22:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I notice that you neglected to notify The Punk music wikiproject. I have corrected that for you. -- Dominus (talk) 23:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. It was a well-established genre as far back as the 1980s, and should have an article here.--Michig (talk) 11:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
• Article should probably be kept, but I think that the article is small enough that it would do better merged with Punk instead. Just my opinion. ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ ^{Drop me a line}_{Review Me!} 15:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Well-established sub-genre. —Hello, Control ^{Hello, Tony} 18:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Needs work, but history page shows it is being worked by several contributors. A small but real subgenre. To compare this to a single-band genre shows an ignorance of punk history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaohoyt (talk • contribs) 16:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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