Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Snowflame

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An incredibly obscure comics villain. He's had a bit of a spur of re-appearances recently, and his subject matter seems like it would be discussed a lot, but there really isn't much on him. Google News hits turn up only Valnet and unreliable sources, Scholar yields no hits except for one book source, and Google Books search yields only the same book source:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Legion_of_Regrettable_Supervillains/TUhmCwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Snowflame%22+-wikipedia&pg=PA245&printsec=frontcover

This book source is additionally entirely plot summary. There's no analysis, Reception, or really anything I can find that actually establishes the subject's notability. I'd be happy to withdraw this nom if anyone happens to stumble on anything I've missed, but this is just a genuinely obscure character with basically nothing to his name, and it at best a case of TOOSOON depending on how much Snowflame gets used going forward. This article is likely better off being redirected or merged into another article. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Comics and animation. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

:Keep (as page creator). I think that sites such as Vice, Gizmodo, HuffPost, and IGN (which are all cited in the article) provide enough coverage for the subject to pass WP:GNG. Di (they-them) (talk) 20:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

::Good catch on those. Being entirely honest, I missed them when I was going through the article, so I'm really sorry about missing those. Still, IGN doesn't seem to contribute to notability per being routine coverage of an ongoing television series, with Snowflame only mentioned as appearing in the series, and the Comicbook sources are primarily plot summary. The VICE, Gizmodo, and HuffPost pieces are all decent enough, but my problem is that there really isn't anything here worth splitting. All of them say the same thing: Snowflame was mildly offensive, and later got a webcomic series. Given the character's incredibly small amount of appearances, Snowflame can quite easily exist in the character list without even threatening undue weight, with only a sentence or two really needed to describe why the character was notable. The issue here isn't really notability, but moreso the fact that Snowflame doesn't really have enough content to really warrant a split off the wider character list. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 21:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

:::The VALNET articles are the first several references; the non-VALNET ones are like the entire right-handed column, so if you just looked at the first few, VALNET is what you would see. I get what you're saying about this not being a big deal to merge to a character list, and I agree: it would be a fine article to editorially merge. This, however, is a process that would compel such a merge, and in my mind the standard of non-notability is not met such that the article should be force-merged. Propose it on the talk page and I wouldn't have noticed or cared. Jclemens (talk) 03:36, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

::::You bring up a fair point that this is probably better fit for a merge discussion. I'll withdraw this nomination and open a merge discussion on the subject's talk page. Apologies about the inconvenience. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep VALNET sources aren't needed to demonstratae notability. HuffPo, Gizmodo, and IGN are just fine per RSP, so the VALNET sources aren't necessary to meet GNG. Comicbook.com is also not VALNET, doesn't have an RSP entry, and seems to have been used for similar articles without issue. While the nod to BEFORE is appreciated, reviewing the sources already referenced at time of nomination is important, too. Jclemens (talk) 20:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: Sources like Vice, Gizmodo, HuffPost, and IGN covered Snowflame, which shows the character meets WP:GNG. I agree that the character is obscure. Yet, there is enough content to warrant a standalone article, even if it remains short.--AstridMitch (talk) 23:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
• :Note to closer: see concerns at ANI that the AFD !votes by {{noping|AstridMitch}}, now blocked, are LLM-aided. Abecedare (talk) 20:15, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

:Withdraw as nominator. I see there is some coverage I have overlooked, and that this discussion is better discussed in a merge discussion than at AfD. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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