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The Subject Lacks the criteria for WP:N and WP:V Tatupiplu'^talk 18:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

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• Keep: got coverage in Bluefield Daily Telegraph, ESPN and The Gainesville Sun. It has a lot of inline citations, so WP:V is definitely not an issue. Throwawiki (talk) 21:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete: The article reads like a resume, and the only mentions I see in the articles are inline, and they are just passing remarks for him being "a founder of a mental skills company, icebox." I don't think he has sufficient primary citations. I request the next reviewer to examine every link before commenting on this one. -- Steven655 (talk)

• Keep: An MLB coach of any kind is notable enough to have a page. There are also plenty of citations to back up every claim in this article. Notability and Verification are both sufficient. YaBoyReid (talk) 15:29, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

::A "mental skills" coach is not the type of thing that is notable under WP:NATHLETE. Praxidicae (talk) 20:11, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

:: WP:NBASE says that a coach who for an MLB Franchise passes the requirements for notability. A mental skills coach is as notable as a third base coach, bench coach, hitting coach, pitching coach, etc. YaBoyReid (talk) 21:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

• strong delete This is nothing more than an exaggerated resume and as per my reasoning below Praxidicae (talk) 20:23, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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{{ source assess

| source = https://tigers.mlblogs.com/tigers-announce-minor-league-assignments-for-2019-751bb1bfd902

| ind = n

| ind_just = press release

| rel = n

| rel_just = press release only available on Medium? Nope.

| sig = n

| sig_just = PR isn't coverage.

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2020/03/an-emotional-tsunami-athletes-cope-in-a-world-with-no-sports.html

| ind = -

| ind_just = it's got a few sound bytes from Wood, which is basically the equivalent of an interview

| rel = -

| rel_just = reliable but in this case, super local

| sig = n

| sig_just = brief mention

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://thecitizen.com/2019/10/30/dr-spencer-wood-is-guest-speaker-at-peachtree-city-running-club-monday/

| ind = n

| ind_just = no, this is pay for publication

| rel = n

| rel_just = see above

| sig = n

| sig_just = nope, a paid for announcement about a speaking event

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://archives.newsday.co.tt/2009/02/20/ttoc-holding-mental-skills-seminar/

| ind = n

| ind_just = a pushed press release

| rel = n

| rel_just =

| sig = n

| sig_just = press releases aren't coverage

}}

{{ source assess

| source = http://www.bluefield.edu/article/wood-finds-passion-faith-at-bluefield-college/

| ind = -

| ind_just = interview/promo piece by his alma mater

| rel = -

| rel_just =

| sig = -

| sig_just =

}}

{{ source assess

| source = http://www.bluefield.edu/article/bc-presents-2012-alumni-awards/

| ind = n

| ind_just = it's an announcement from his alma mater about an award

| rel = n

| rel_just = not really applicable

| sig = n

| sig_just =

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.bdtonline.com/news/bc-speaker-wood-have-no-fear-and-put-it-all-on-the-line/article_5da741f8-f6ac-11e4-893f-938b560cfe5e.html

| ind = n

| ind_just = announcement about commencement

| rel = n

| rel_just =

| sig = n

| sig_just = announcing that he was a speaker is not coverage.

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18067064/florida-gators-use-sports-psychologist-help-men-basketball-team-free-throw-shooting

| ind = n

| ind_just = AP press release

| rel = y

| rel_just = sure, no reason to doubt a press release but it establishes nothing other than they have a PR department capable of sending out releases

| sig = n

| sig_just =

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.gainesville.com/sports/20170302/barry-stone-ready-to-assist-uf-for-possible-deep-run

| ind = y

| ind_just = but it's not about Wood in the slightest

| rel = ?

| rel_just =

| sig = n

| sig_just = a single passing mention in a local paper.

}}

{{ source assess

| source = http://www.bluefield.edu/article/bc-to-honor-local-journalists-2012/

| ind = n

| ind_just = same problem as 6

| rel = y

| rel_just =

| sig = n

| sig_just = see #6

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.ttusports.com/general/2017-18/releases/20170830wfndfz

| ind = -

| ind_just = mostly interview bits

| rel = ?

| rel_just = a school paper is hardly reliable in depth coverage

| sig = n

| sig_just = see above

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.uticaod.com/article/20080327/NEWS/303279946

| ind = n

| ind_just = independence in this context is irrelevant, it has nothing to do with Wood

| rel = n

| rel_just = see above

| sig = n

| sig_just = a single name drop

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2019/03/how-sports-psychology-transformed-michigans-free-throw-shooting.html

| ind = n

| ind_just = single quote from wood, not otherwise about wood

| rel = n

| rel_just = see above

| sig = n

| sig_just =

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://omavs.com/news/2015/10/14/210420999.aspx

| ind = n

| ind_just = schedule listing of speaking engagements

| rel = n

| rel_just =

| sig = n

| sig_just =

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://unlvrebels.com/news/2013/5/3/Peak_Performance_Part_II_Mental_Skills_amp_Toughness_Training

| ind = n

| ind_just = press release

| rel = n

| rel_just =

| sig = n

| sig_just =

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://empire8.com/news/2014/1/22/GEN_0122142723.aspx?path=general

| ind = n

| ind_just = yet another press release/speaking announcement

| rel = n

| rel_just =

| sig = n

| sig_just =

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://montanacoaches.com/2019-coaches-clinic-presentation-notes/

| ind = n

| ind_just = another speaking schedule

| rel = n

| rel_just =

| sig = n

| sig_just =

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://nfca.org/

| ind = n

| ind_just = just a listing

| rel = n

| rel_just =

| sig = n

| sig_just =

}}

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• Comment: If the bulk of the discussion is centered around the resume nature of the article, and Wood does indeed pass notability in accordance with WP:NBASE, would taking out the speaking engagements and his work with the D1 programs change this to a keep?YaBoyReid (talk) 21:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

::No, because as I noted above, the sources are still insufficient. Praxidicae (talk) 11:05, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

• Keep Bases WP:NBASE. The article needs cleanup, but that's not reason to delete. I also fail to see how the ESPN article can in any way be considered a "press release." The AP put it out. They normally are reliable and independent. That and the MLIVE articles are enough to get him past GNG as well. Smartyllama (talk) 13:46, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: I fail to see why, at minimum, that the ESPN and MLive articles aren't considered primary enough resources. Obviously a major rewrite is in order, but with those three solid sources and passing notability guidelines it should stay around. YaBoyReid (talk) 20:24, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I am still undecided but I will say that I don't believe that Wood passes WP:NBASE as he does not appear an actual "coach" as the term is intended as part of the team's uniformed, in-game coaching staff and the fact that the Tigers [https://www.mlb.com/tigers/roster/coaches don't even list him as a member of their coaching staff on their own website]. Best, GPL93 (talk) 19:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• Delete : aside from it having other issues such as - reads like an advertisement, lack of original sources, ; the subject's role as sport psychologist for a baseball team does not entitle him to an article.Grmike (talk) 01:32, 19 April 2020 (UTC)grmike
• Delete Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG and I don't believe he meets WP:NBASEBALL. The official Detroit Tigers website does not list him as a coach, or even as a member of the staff. Baseball is unique in that coaches and managers wear the same uniform as the players and there's no evidence Wood ever has. Note that all of the coaches on the team's website are wearing uniforms in their pictures. I think it is probably more correct to think of him as an outside consultant, just as teams have dentists and surgeons that they tend to recommend. Articles about speaking engagements and some passing mentions do not show notability. I tend to agree with Praxidicae's analysis of the sources. Papaursa (talk) 02:34, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Delete The ESPN story is actually an AP report and while I don't think it's an outright paid article I'd say it is most likely a story pitched by whomever handles Wood's PR given the way it reads. I still think as whole the amount of coverage comes up a bit short of WP:GNG and he definitely doesn't pass WP:NBASE, this [https://www.iceboxathlete.com/icebox-athlete-president-dr-spencer-wood-rehired-by-mlb-team-for-2nd-season/ press release from his company's website] indicates he is contracted as a consultant on a part-time basis. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
• Delete - I think people have adequately explained why this doesn't meet WP:NBASE, which I think should take precedence over WP:GNG (as with all specific notability guidelines). {{u|Praxidicae}}'s lovely table spells out why the sources don't confer notability. Ikjbagl (talk) 00:15, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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