Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Squid (motorcycle)

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was transwiki. Since an entry already at Wiktionary I will leave a soft redirect; I was inclined to delete as the article here is almost entirely unsourced but will leave the edit history intact in the event that source proves useful in the future. Shereth 14:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

=[[Squid (motorcycle)]]=

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WP:NOTDICT. Neologism. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donor cycle--Dbratland (talk) 04:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep. Appears to have [http://books.google.com/books?q=squid+motorcycle&btnG=Search+Books some level of use] in publications, and perhaps in [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=squid+motorcycle&cf=all news articles] too. tedder (talk) 04:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

:*It is widely used, but there isn't any agreement on what it means or where it comes from. [http://books.google.com/books?id=SPkDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA5-IA1&dq=squid+motorcycle This article] says it well: a squid is defined by whatever the beholder subjectively feels is too foolhardy -- George Carlin had a great routine how everyone who goes faster than my speed is a maniac, and anyone who goes slower is an idiot. The only thing you can say for sure is that squid is a pejorative, but anything beyond that is a lot of speculation and opinion. So you could have a one sentence definition (Pejorative for a reckless, novice motorcyclist) but that would belong on Wiktionary, or you could have longer article like the current one, filled with idle guesswork, which doesn't enlighten the reader.
Of course I could be wrong, but that's my take on it. The concept of riding within your limits is worth exploring, but the word squid is useless except when you want to call someone you don't like a name.--Dbratland (talk) 05:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

::*Yep, there's no agreement on what it is, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. WP:NOTDICTIONARY may apply, but the fact it's a little vague is reason enough for it to stay on Wikipedia for me- there's room for expansion and comparison of the various sources. Having said that, I could be slightly tainted, as I know the creator and many editors of the [http://www.dod.no/cgi-bin/squidtest SPT]. But it isn't like I've been making COI edits or anything. tedder (talk) 05:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Delete - Neologism that fails to establish notability with some reliable sources. -- Scjessey (talk) 14:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Transfer to wiktionary ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Delete. WP:NEO or WP:NOTADICT, take your pick. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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Update Sense added to Wiktionary: {{linktext|squid}}--Dbratland (talk) 19:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Keep as per Tedder's comments. --Biker Biker (talk) 12:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Alternative Redirect to new article Motorcycle hooliganism which discusses Squid, and moves material on illegal activity from Stunters, Cruising_(driving) and Cruise (automotive). Focus on motorcycle hooligan swarms in Indonesia, Malasia, and Africa. Articles on one percenter bikers would focus on organized crime activity while street racing and other traffic violations would be moved to Motorcycle hooliganism. This would serve as a good catch-all article to collect similar slang terms like Squid (motorcycle). --Dbratland (talk) 16:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

:No. A squid isn't always a hooligan. Hooligans are deliberately malicious. Sometimes a squid can simply be young, inexperienced or foolhardy. Merge into hooliganism and this aspect is lost. --Biker Biker (talk) 17:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

::Doesn't have to be called "Motorcycle hooliganism." Hooligan is just the word I am using at the moment to cover illegal/anti-social/dangerous motorcycling that is not related to serious organized crime, but is more of the entertainment variety. Motorcycling that the community disapproves of, but not the same as prostitution, drug dealing, violent crime etc. In particular there is a generational and cultural divide between 1%ers and young packs of riders who skirt the law.
And I only meant that we would use the motorcycle hooliganism article (whatever it's named) as a place to include a definition of "squid" which would only say that squids are reckless motorcyclists, not say that they are hooligans per se. By the same token, I was thinking of including the problem of unlicensed motorcycle taxis in Asia, on the grounds that they are also loosely organized and are not hard-core criminals like Hells Angels, even though they are not "hooligans."
I probably wouldn't have nominated Squid for deletion if I'd thought of this before.--Dbratland (talk) 18:40, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.