Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Star Wars Action News

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Speedy A7 has been declined on the grounds that G11 had also been declined. Non-notable podcast. Delete.  Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 14:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

:As I've already explained to you, "Speedy A7 has been declined on the grounds that G11 had also been declined" is untrue. It was initially tagged {{tl|db-A7}}; when that was declined, it was re-tagged {{tl|db-web}}, which is a redirect to {{tl|db-A7}}. "There have also been interviews on the show with […] Samuel L. Jackson, Alan Dean Foster, Donald F. Glut, James Kahn, L. Neil Smith, and Timothy Zahn" immediately establishes that this isn't some guy-in-his-basement fancruft site, and that {{tl|db-A7}} doesn't apply. – iridescent 14:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

• Delete - Unverified original research about a non-notable podcast, brimming with peacock terms. Essentially fancruft. Should really be speedied under guideline A7, because it is "web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant". -- Scjessey (talk) 14:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

• The article has been revised including referenced elements of notability, including being featured on TV (G4's Attack of the Show), Film (The documentary The Force Among Us) and books. Further the show passes the Google test for notability. And if you search for "Star Wars" on iTunes, it is the #1 return for "Podcasts", which I would have included but not certain how to cite it as it is an application not a web page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.27.133.72 (talk) 15:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
• Delete This reads as a very spammy article but once the puffery is removed the Alexa statistics for the host web site are revealing: the percentage of web users who have visited the site is 0.000026% and the 3 month ranking is 3,080,394. At iTunes there is one review and not enough ratings to give an average. Certainly it has many mentions on the web but these are largely self-referential amongst collectors of action figures (an obvious systematic bias). I have also warned the initial author not to remove the AFD tag Porturology (talk) 16:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
• Not sure which iTunes you are looking at, but the show is here: http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=80411951 63 ratings, 54 written reviews. Further, here http://www.podcastalley.com/podcast_details.php?pod_id=9070 over 1,200 comments on the show —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.27.133.72 (talk) 16:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
• The link above for iTunes leads me to the page I was at before with one review from Turtlemoth in May 2008 - I am not sure why we are getting different results, the same search leads me to understand that "The Force-cast" is a far more popular Star Wars podcast on iTunes Porturology (talk) 16:50, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 18:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 18:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
• Keep per [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Star+wars+action+news%22&scoring=a&hl=en&ned=us&um=1&sa=N&start=0 Google News] coverage, which seems to meet WP:N and WP:V. Jclemens (talk) 18:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
• 11 hits. Most of which refer to Star Wars Action News in the first person and therefore must be regarded as primary sources. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 19:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

:*Delete. I don't think theforce.net (7 of the 11 returns) or anakinweb.com pass as WP:RS's. Popular doesn't equal notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

• Delete as vanity spam with no evidence of notability. --EEMIV (talk) 20:34, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, no independent sources available that discuss the podcast as their subject. Tim Vickers (talk) 21:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - no relaiable third party coverage of the podcast itself - just some re-reporting on the content found in Google news. Not opposed to recreation if verifiable sourcing found. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 20:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:*I'm asking seriously, not rhetorically. Is the TV Show Attack of the Show, a film documentary, and the book "The Star Wars Super Collector's Wishbook" not verifiable sourcing? While none are web sites that come up in Google News searches, I would think they would add to the overall cache. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.27.135.35 (talk) 21:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

::*Comment - you claim that you have all this reliable sourcing, but where are the links? The closest mention of "Star Wars Super Collector's Wishbook" together with "Star Wars Action News" is [http://www.swactionnews.com/staff.htm this link], which shows that Nathan Butler and Gary Price (listed under "special thanks") provided some articles and images for it. The documentary, similarly, is unverifiable - you've provided no links. The G4 thing is the closest to an actual verifiable source - but that's the only one. You need significant coverage from multiple sources that are independent of the subject - which, if the two connections above are accurate, would also make the Collector's Wishbook no longer an independent source. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 21:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:::*Comment - Yes, please post links to back that up. G4 is a reliable source. Brian Reading (talk) 01:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

:::* My understanding of the appearance on TV is that it was once mentioned, amongst other sites, on 1 segment in 1 episode of 1 show of a low rating cable channel - "as seen on TV" indeed Porturology (talk) 03:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:INTERNET (podcast is not a website only but it is internet content), Star Wars Action News meets these criteria as it has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works, including:

An article about it in the [http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Star-Wars/Geoffrey-T-Carlton/e/9781574325515 Star Wars Super Collectors Wishbook] page 451.

Detailed coverage by Star Wars comic book author Nathan P. Butler on his [http://blogs.starwars.com/fanaudio/30 official Starwars.com blog].

It was featured in the documentary [http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1N1-119823A7ED59CD60.html The Force Among Us] (actual article link, registration required) or you can also see the [http://www.theforceamongus.com/forum/archive/index.php/thread-224.html reprint of article] and an [http://www.theforceamongus.com/forum/archive/index.php/thread-224.html article] was written about the show by the documentary's director for press materials.

Their work covering Star Wars fiction has been covered by other sites [http://clubjade.net/?p=2644 clubjade.net] and [http://www.rebelscum.com/story/fannews/March_Into_The_Expanded_Universe_Series_121647.asp rebelscum.com]

News broken by this podcast includes the contract extension between Del Rey Books and Lucasfilm, and that news was covered by other sources [http://site.anakinweb.com/actualites-livres-romans-del-rey-garde-son-contrat--n8320.html anakinweb.com], and information about the upcoming fan convention Star Wars Celebration 5 [http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/Celebration_5_Rumors_113436.asp story at rebelscum.com] and their attempt to create a comprehensive map of all Star Wars R2-D2 mailboxes was commented on by [http://clicked.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/03/20/95417.aspx MSNBC]

Further, they have been reviewed by several Star Wars Fan Groups [http://www.paducahimperials.com/files/March2006NewsLetter.doc paducaimperials] and [http://oswcc.com/?p=179 oswcc]

And they are the winners of several Star Wars Fan Audio Awards in 2007, 2008, and 2009, an independent award administered by StarWarsFanWorks.com. Their awards are 2007: Best Panel of Radio Show Hosts, Best Regular Radio Show Segment, and Radio Show "Rookiee of the Year" [http://starwarsfanworks.com/swan/swanawards.html awards] and [http://starwarsfanworks.com/features/winners2007-2.html#top 2007 awards] 2008: Special Award for Podcasting Community Leadership [http://starwarsfanworks.com/features/winners2008.html#top 2008 awards] 2009: Best Star Wars Based Radio Show [http://starwarsfanworks.com/features/winners2008.html#top 2009 awards]. Ferpsihas (talk) 23:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

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