Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Millhouse

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This subject fails WP:NMUSICIAN, as well as WP:GNG due to a lack of significant in-depth coverage by unrelated third-party reliable sources, to exclude the likes of IMDB and self-publications/blogs. JFHJr (㊟) 22:01, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, United States of America, and New York. JFHJr (㊟) 22:01, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

• I really don't understand. The man played on Broadway. This is not the IMDB site but IBDB (Internet Broadway Database). "IBDB (Internet Broadway Database) archive is the official database for Broadway theatre information. IBDB provides records of productions from the beginnings of New York theatre until today. IBDB provides a comprehensive database of shows produced on Broadway, including all "title page" information about each production. IBDB also offers historical information about theatres and various statistics and fun facts related to Broadway."

:You have to understand that jazz and classical music are not as widely covered by the media. This is already the second article in a row that has been marked for deletion. I assume the same will happen with the third article I'm currently working on. Since it's obvious that I'm doing something wrong, maybe it's best to go back to Wikipedia in my native language. There's no point in wasting my time if none of the articles can stay.--Марко Станојевић (talk) 22:19, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

• Please see WP:RS and WP:RSNP. The guidelines I linked in my nomination are the main reasons for deletion. Please don't doubt your own English proficiency. The reading is copious and it's hard for native speakers to understand in many cases. Our guidelines surely differ from other language Wikis. You may find that feedback (without deletions) in draft spaces and the WP:AFC process are a better fit for new articles. Just an idea. Cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 00:52, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Nothing found for this musician in RS. What's now in the article is just confirmation of performances given. I don't see a pass at NMUSIC. Oaktree b (talk) 22:24, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: I found a mention of subject in NYT[https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/arts/music/29ute.html], however the article is mostly about a different person. I also searched newspaper archives, all I could find is this [https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-arizona-republic-bob-ravenscroft-tri/166552085/] which is just confirmation of a show he's playing at. I don't think these in combination with sources in the article meet the criteria for WP:MUSICBIO or WP:ANYBIO. Zzz plant (talk) 02:58, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

{{ping|JFHJr}}, {{ping|Oaktree b}}, {{ping|Zzz plant}} I would like to try once again to highlight some facts that could help keep the article. Firstly, Steve recorded two albums for SteepleChase Records, one of the oldest and most renowned jazz record labels. Other musicians who have recorded for them are among the most famous in jazz history. Steve is also mentioned on their Wikipedia page. Regarding Broadway, he was the bassist for five Broadway shows. The albums he recorded with Ute Lemper were Grammy-nominated.

I would also like to ask you something: since this is already the second article you are planning to delete, do you think the [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Baden_Powell Philippe Baden Powell] article is sufficiently relevant? It is available on the German, French, and Portuguese Wikipedia. If you believe it is not, I’d rather not start and waste my time.--Марко Станојевић (talk) 13:14, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

:*Changing my vote to Draftify - The SteepleChase Records looks to be backed up with a podcast citation, and I don't see the Grammy nom mentioned on his page at all. {{ping|Марко Станојевић}} I understand the frustration of being interested in a field/subject that doesn't get mainstream media attention. I made a sincere effort to look for WP:RS, which is why I linked to sources I found in the initial vote, but I'm sorry I did not realize this article was so new! I think the author should have more time to look for non-primary, reliable sources about the subject. Zzz plant (talk) 20:35, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:*:all the sources on Fr wiki say is that he plays in Brazil with some family members, and a concert listing. That's even less notable. Oaktree b (talk) 20:54, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:::*I would just like to ask, why, for example, isn't a review by Bill Milkowski considered a relevant source, given that he is one of the best jazz critics? As I mentioned, he included his album in the top 100. Also, I would like to point out that, as far as I know, the website bassmagazine.com is one of the best bass magazines out there. Finally, is it possible to use a podcast as a source? I have this link that I haven't used because I wasn't sure.--Марко Станојевић (talk) 21:54, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:::SteepleChase is associated with the subject, promoting its client, and is a primary source. It should be removed. JFHJr (㊟) 18:37, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

{{ping|Oaktree b}}, {{ping|Zzz plant}} I found an article in The New York City Jazz Record, but I can't add it to the references. The PDF won't upload. I will copy what it says: "From the ’50s through to the ’70s, composer, conductor, arranger, pianist and flutist, Henry Mancini was as prolific as they come in film and television scoring, winning four Academy Awards, a Golden Globe and twenty Grammys. For a group that concentrates on the vast body of work written for film, Mancini and the Steve

Millhouse Cinema Trio are a match made in heaven. Millhouse, whose career has garnered him acclaim as a bass guitar player, appears here on the six-string contrabass, with Allen Farnham (piano), Eric Halvorson (drums) and—on half of the album—Scott Wendholt (trumpet). Of his time, and yet an acknowledged innovator as well, Mancini’s style could be categorized broadly as “creative orchestral”; there’s a jazz underpinning, which, owing to his craftmanship, now serves as a solid platform for the purely jazz arrangements of the Cinema Trio. Of the vast Mancini repertoire at their disposal, Millhouse has chosen only

six works: three instantly recognizable, three seldom heard and probably somewhat obscure. In this latter category is the inventive Millhouse take on “Loss of Love”, the theme song from the film Sunflower (1970). It’s strikingly opened with an extended drum solo byHalvorson whose steady repetitions on the kit create a hypnotic feel throughout the track, as a subtle Millhouse enters for a few bars and Farnham takes over with assertive melodic and harmonic statements. These are matched by tradeoffs with Wendholt’s clarion trumpet, finally fading to a bookended button of finality from the drummer. In contrast, the 1970s balladic title song is given a slow, contemplative treatment dominated by piano and trumpet tradeoffs of the theme. The album opener (the eponymous theme song from the 1963 film, Charade) is marked with inventive tempochanges and variations by Farnham. The delivery is at once reminiscent of a ’50s basement jazz hangout and intensely modern in its driving improvisations

and the pianist’s creative ideas, while Millhouse and Halvorson’s support is balanced between an ebb and flow of retreating and forward sonic embellishments. You’ll find no “Moon River” on this album, but for lovers of modern standards, there’s a jewel box of contemporized material from one of the masters of film scoring"

Could this be a good reference?--Марко Станојевић (talk) 22:15, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:That helps, can you give a citation with the date/page where it was published? Oaktree b (talk) 14:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

::It was published in The New York City Jazz Record magazine in December 2024 on page 30. Is there any way I can take a screenshot and send it as proof?--Марко Станојевић (talk) 17:23, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:::I would just add relevant info into the article and be sure to use the appropriate reference tags for it. Oaktree b (talk) 20:05, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Oaktree b}} I managed to find mentions in The New York Times [https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/04/arts/music/ute-lemper-brings-nerudas-poems-to-54-below.html], The Sydney Morning Herald [https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/even-the-walls-wept-as-dietrichs-spiritual-heir-sang-auf-wiedersehen-20100520-vnwi.html] and Playbill [https://playbill.com/article/ute-lemper-will-explore-the-bukowski-project-at-new-yorks-abrons-arts-center-com-177335] where he is listed as accompanying Ute Lemper, and I also see that he is mentioned in Phoenix New Times [https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/music/bob-ravenscroft-trio-6431383]. I will add all these references.--Марко Станојевић (talk) 21:38, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

• Keep as the Bass Magazine article is significant coverage in a reliable source, together with numerous reviews of his performances so that WP:GNG is passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:15, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

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:Here is the problem I have. Wikipedia is not a resume. The basics for even a stub class article are a year of birth, where born, and some very basic biographical information. Granted, this is a new (2025-02-22) stub article, the notability is in the bare notability area. The reason is that while one could argue the reliability of IBDB, the article, as written and sourced, does present issues concerning a BLP. The article mentions the unsourced names of living persons. This is not cool.

:The subject playing for "many different artists" is great content material but not necessarily advancing notability. There may be issues of it being too soon. Attempting to incrementally build notability by casual mention (sources like that he was "accompanying Ute Lemper") means there is a valid argument for Draftify. I am going to try to look into this some more, but in case I get tied up that would be my !vote. -- Otr500 (talk) 02:04, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

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