Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steven Jones (poker player)

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Non-notable poker player. Fails WP:GNG. UtherSRG (talk) 12:05, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Arizona. UtherSRG (talk) 12:05, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per the essay Wikipedia:WikiProject Poker#Biography article notability criteria. Being at the final table at the WSOP Main Event, much less finishing second, is pretty much a guarantee of notability and media coverage: [https://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/television/2023/07/18/world-series-of-poker-steven-jones-finalist/70424234007/ Detroit Free Press], [https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/2023/07/17/that-helps-troy-raised-poker-stars-6-5m-payday-eases-sting-of-second-place/70422703007/ Detroit News], [https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/valley-realtor-places-2nd-at-world-series-of-poker ABC in Arizona]. Clarityfiend (talk) 15:23, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
• :That's an essay, not policy. Policy is WP:BIO1E. I do note that the essay explicitly calls out and attempts to overrule BIO1E. If the essay is put up for RFC as inclusion in our WP:N policies, we can (at that time) revisit articles that would have been saved. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

::* You're ignoring the news coverage. The Main Event of the WSOP is by far the most important/prestigious/publicized poker tournament in the world, and the nine players on the final table get lots and lots of coverage (also see November Nine). Clarityfiend (talk) 08:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

::*:For one event. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

::::* So? BIO1E states, "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate." Why do you persist in ignoring the coverage? That satisfies WP:GNG. Clarityfiend (talk) 15:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

::::*:{{tq|The assassins of major political leaders, such as Gavrilo Princip, fit into this category, as indicated by the large coverage of the event in reliable sources that devotes significant attention to the individual's role.}} Are you suggesting that this one time final table seating is the equivalent of this? Also {{tq|Editors are advised to be aware of issues of weight and to avoid the creation of unnecessary pseudo-biographies, especially of living people.}} - UtherSRG (talk) 19:39, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

:::::::* "One time final table seating"? You make this sound like a trip to a restaurant. This is, as I have stated before, the pinnacle of tournament poker, and that still gets a decent amount of press, not as much as it used to, but sufficient for Wikipedia. AFAIK, we have an article about a US Navy sailor whose sole distinction being the first to sight the enemy in World War II. Can't recall the name (it was quite a while ago), but I think I unsuccessfully nominated it for deletion. It got rejected for the same reason this should stay: enough media coverage. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

:::::::*:So now you are equating a final seating at a yearly event to World War II. Do you see how out of proportion this is? - UtherSRG (talk) 13:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

:::::::::* Don't be absurd. World War II? You're really grasping at straws, man. Clarityfiend (talk) 14:01, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

:::::::::*:You're the one who made the comparison. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:22, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

::::::::::::* Yeah, right. You should get -2 !votes for your reading comprehension. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Well, when your sources are articles about other people , databases and Zillow, I don't see notability. I don't find anything else about this individual. Doesn't meet GNG or any athletic notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:23, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

: The first Detroit article is rather brief, the second one is better. Maybe one good source and few trivial mentions. I'm not seeing SIGCOV. Oaktree b (talk) 16:27, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

• Keep -- The sources already in the article are sufficient to meet the GNG. The WSOP Main Event is a major sporting event in the United States and finalists are in my opinion notable. There's enough RS coverage to support this article, so that's not a problem. Someone above noted that the cited poker notability guideline is an essay rather than policy. That's true, but it's an essay people cite because they find it persuasive, as I do. This is how notability guidelines become policy. Central and Adams (talk) 20:58, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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