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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tímea Vágvölgyi

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. PeterSymonds (talk) 19:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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:{{la|Timea Margot}} ([{{fullurl:Tímea Vágvölgyi|wpReason={{urlencode:AfD discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tímea Vágvölgyi}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

Article was previously prodded and deleted. Subject did not and still does not have reliable sources to verify notability. Did a google search under both Tímea Margot and Tímea Vágvölgyi and could not find any reliable sources that even verify notability including the alleged 1995 award. Morbidthoughts (talk) 02:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete IF it was well-written and well-referenced, it COULD be a keep, assuming it is ture as it stands. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=T%C3%ADmea_V%C3%A1gv%C3%B6lgyi&action=history History check] is not reassuring. Vengeance is mine, saith the Prime ♥ 02:52, 4 Aug 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep So far 2.200 Google hits for Timea Vagvoelgyi. The source is mentioned correctly and articles in German and others Wiki exist. Language seems o.k. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.25.174.15 (talk) 03:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC) — 77.25.174.15 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

:*Number of WP:GOOGLEHITS is not a valid test for notability, especially with porn. Sources need to be WP:RELIABLE. • Gene93k (talk) 10:47, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep On the poster (reference) is mentioned that the film (trilogy) was winner of the Xth European Championship in Barcelona in 1995. This is also mentioned on the cover of this [http://www.erotik-express.net/detailed.asp?detail_dvd.asp?Artikelnummer=GL-DVD-HS113] film (in GE language) - So the actress is relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.24.76.148 (talk) 09:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC) — 77.24.76.148 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

:*An advertisement is not a reliable reference. This article's "references" are a scan into Fapomatic and a blog post, not reliable sources. That 1995 European X win needs a verifiable source with credit to the actress, not just the film. • Gene93k (talk) 11:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete (Comment). This does not look good. The article is substantial copyvio of a the cached [http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:CwZ_i1jgf2wJ:womensprowrestling.blogspot.com/2007/02/timea-margot.html+%22Timea+Margot%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=de blog entry] cited. The rest is unsourced. I'm leaning toward delete unless WP:RS can be found to salvage this. • Gene93k (talk) 11:15, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
  • amended comment. Largely fails WP:V and not even close on WP:BIO/WP:ENTERTAINER/WP:PORNBIO. Notability is barely asserted and is not supported by WP:RS. • Gene93k (talk) 13:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
  • additional remark: I have added some independent sources (see the foot notes) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.25.63.117 (talk) 00:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC) — 77.25.63.117 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • None of these "independent sources", database entries and personal statements, are reliable. At best, they say that she did wrestling and porn. They don't establish WP:Notability. That needs A) interest by reputable publications or B), in this case, recognition by reputable critics (WP:PORNBIO). A cannot be found and B is not credibly proven. • Gene93k (talk) 01:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I think that she was wrestling and beeing porn actress is definitely more than usual. By the way, there exist a lot of articles in wiki about pornstars that are less known. Vagvoelgyi was one of the most famous stars in the 90ies and cover girl of many Private Media productions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.25.43.115 (talk) 10:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
  • "Well known," "famous" and "unusual" are subjective terms subject to an editor's interpretation. Wikipedia relies on what reliable published sources say. The latest edits to the article say the actress' 1995 was a FICEB. If that could be proven by credible sources, notability would be established. • Gene93k (talk) 12:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
  • As for What about X?/WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, articles are judged on their own merits. Other articles that don't belong in Wikipedia will get weeded out eventually. • Gene93k (talk) 12:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

::::She was at least as main actress winner in 1995 in Barcelona, as mentioned in the article. On the cover [http://img102.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65345_001cover_122_769lo.jpg here] this is stated (in German) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.25.112.33 (talk) 16:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Explaination: The German sentence on the [http://img102.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65345_001cover_122_769lo.jpg cover] Bester Mehrteiler Filmfestspiele Barcelona means: best film series (at) the film festival Barcelona- In mentioned film trilogy Dangerous Dreams in each part Timea Vagvölgyi is the "main actress" and by the way cover girl, too. Other famous girls (like Kelly Trump and others) are only supporting actors acting only in one scene. Means, there is definitely a reason to state that Vagvölgyi won this price in Barcelona. This trilogy contains a real plot and had obviously a sreenplay with high quality. Again Keep Einzelkämpfer (talk) 01:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

:Some more refernces and links were added now!Einzelkämpfer (talk) 03:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

:Comment I suspect that all of the variations of unsigned ips and Fontanalis are Einzelkämpfer. Morbidthoughts (talk) 07:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Answer I have only posted the 1st keep and the remarks with my signature. No clue who Fontnalis is. So far I see the IP-adresses are different. I do not know, who you can change the IP - I think this is fixed with the computer or Windows? Einzelkämpfer (talk) 15:43, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  • These are dynamic IP addresses coming out of the same ISP, if not the very same address pool. Anyway, AfD is not a majority vote and votes from single purpose accounts will count less than the evidence presented. • Gene93k (talk) 17:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Einzelkämpfer and Fontanalis suspiciously acted in concert with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Timea_Vagv%C3%B6lyi_just_before.png an image of Timea]. Fontanalis uploaded the image to the Commons and Einzelkämpfer [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=T%C3%ADmea_V%C3%A1gv%C3%B6lgyi&diff=231578581&oldid=231559545 added it to the article 9 minutes later]. Morbidthoughts (talk) 02:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 23:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete Sources mostly lack independence and reliability needed to satisfy WP:BIO. Edison (talk) 03:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Please tell which sources are in your point of view have a lack of independence. I think most of the sources are suitable to underly the statements, knowing that usually in connection with pornstars sources have not the quality of scientific respactable books. E.g. the short wrestling clip shows clearly that Vagvoelgyi was female wrestler. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.25.103.0 (talk) 21:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC) Einzelkämpfer (talk) 21:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. And if possible strikethrough all the puppet votes. Darrenhusted (talk) 09:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

{{quote|

:^ Independent source of her personal data

:^ Source for personal data and nick names

:^ Vagvölgyis peronal bio on IAFD

:^ A short clip about her body measures

:^ Vagvölgyis data on a Private Media Group internet page

:^ Poster of this film

:^ Information about the DWW-organisation

:^ wrestling clip with Vagvölgyi

:^ Closing credits of the film Junges Fleisch und alte Böcke are to see here

:^ This film was decribed in the book (scientific dissertation): Jacob Pastötter:Erotic Home Entertainment und Zivilisationsprozess. Analyse des postindustriellen Phänomens der Hardcore-Pornographie"

}}

:::The writing of the "references" just screams fancruft.

:::Sounds desperate.

:::And the External links violate the External Links guidelines linking direct to pictures, I believe.

:::Have I mentioned DELETE? Just checkin'. Vengeance is mine, saith the Prime  02:36, 13 Aug 2008 (UTC)

  • delete - nn actress in only non-notable movies --T-rex 00:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - trivial coverage. PhilKnight (talk) 14:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.