Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Table-glass (2nd nomination)

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Unsourced, not known by such a name in English, unlikely to be notable, just an ordinary faceted drinking glass. If we're to have an article on such a thing, let's start with sources. Dicklyon (talk) 23:18, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Dicklyon (talk) 23:18, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:45, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

• Delete does not seem to be a common name for this, and even if it were it's just a dicdef. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:45, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:NEXIST. This is definitely not just a dictionary definition. The style is also referred to as beveled glass [https://books.google.com/books?id=3ipjJ4-N2ToC&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&lpg=PP1&dq=made%20in%20russia%20unsung&pg=PA78#v=onepage&q=%20beveled%20glass&f=false][https://serval.unil.ch/resource/serval:BIB_C9D7F364C79B.P001/REF.pdf][https://www.ft.com/content/91c11118-550e-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f][https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/09/made-in-russia-soviet-communisms-design-masterpieces/244555/] (and briefly [https://books.google.com/books?id=JkL2AhgFrw0C&pg=PA229&lpg=PA229&dq=soviet+beveled+glass&source=bl&ots=HxGbGlgIyx&sig=ACfU3U1cF8zKM9vwf5f8vtz4W6fKjkzsCA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiU19ztk7XlAhUCrVkKHZehALk4ChDoATAAegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=soviet%20beveled%20glass&f=false here] and [https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-alternate-universe-of-soviet-arcade-games here]). It might make sense to move the article to there, or to the Russian name. XOR'easter (talk) 14:47, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
• :Beveled glass has a much more common meaning and an article already. Maybe Beveled drinking glass? Or Faceted glass? Ribbed glassware? Dicklyon (talk) 00:58, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

• Keep. Not a DICDEF, seems to have a notable existence and history in Russian culture, much like Podstakannik, and other concepts. AFD is not the place to ask for sources, complain about the article name, or merely suggest that it is just 'unlikely to be notable'. Spokoyni (talk) 14:17, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
• Question How is this different than Highball glass? Could possibly merge with that article, as a sub-section related to this apparently Russian variant, no? Alternatively, if worthy of its own article, I think it should be moved to something that is consistent with WP:COMMONNAME as I certainly don't call these type of glasses "table glass". I guess I'd maybe !vote to move to Ribbed glassware. Doug Mehus (talk) 06:08, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
• Move to Ribbed glassware (or similar name)—something consistent with WP:COMMONNAME. I think this is a case of WP:LOSTINTRANSLATION. Ping me with any significant sources to reconsider my !vote and rationale. Doug Mehus (talk) 06:12, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
• Comment {{ping|Andrew Davidson}} and {{ping|RoySmith}} made some useful arguments in the 1st nomination on merging with Tumbler (glass). That seems like a potentially useful approach, as I think it's worthwhile noting this type of tumbler's apparent Russian origins, but we should do so perhaps as a merged article or, alternatively, by renaming this article, no? Doug Mehus (talk) 06:16, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
• :Merging to a section in Tumbler (glass) seems like a good idea to me. I see it's got a link there already. Dicklyon (talk) 06:28, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:NEXIST and WP:IMPERFECT. Andrew D. (talk) 00:10, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

• Delete - unless someone can find significant coverage in reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 20:37, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - have rewritten the article, using a small selection of the sources available - a lot more in Russian than in English not suprisingly, and can add more if required. An even stronger keep. Spokoyni (talk) 09:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
• :{{ping|Spokoyni}} do you have a suggestion for a better title? Dicklyon (talk) 16:04, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
• ::This is an interesting question. A literal translation of гранёный стакан is 'Faceted glass'. There would be the option of treating it like Podstakannik, and using 'granyonyi stakan', but this is perhaps suboptimal. Podstakannik is not quite a loanword yet, but is mostly used untranslated in English, the same is not true for the granyonyi stakan, at least not yet. In internet searches, variations on 'Faceted glass Russia' are always about this concept, but 'Bevelled glass Russia' are not. So I think the name solution could be best fixed with the title 'Faceted glass'. Spokoyni (talk) 06:06, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
• :::Facted glass is OK by me. I'll do an RM. Dicklyon (talk) 06:30, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

• Keep, meets WP:GNG, and article now shows this with improvements made, i will leave it to others to decide on a rename if required, that can be discussed on article talkpage. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep and rename Faceted glass per Spokoyni.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

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