Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taryn Jurgensen
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The article meets Criteria A7 in Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. The subject does not meet Notability guidelines. Eularia (talk) 00:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
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- Keep - Subject meets notability, has skated in world champs and that is sufficient. Also this is pretty much the first edit the nominator did. Are you somehow connected to Jurgensen or?.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:17, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mediran (t • c) 00:20, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- Keep. She competed at the 2011 World Figure Skating Championships. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:43, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- Weak delete (per discussion)
Keep- yeah, [http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs_cr_00012209.htm this is a summary of her results]. I take it the WFSC is among the highest-level events for the subject's sport? If not the highest along with the Winter Olympics? I think that's probably game over. Stalwart111 04:41, 24 March 2013 (UTC) - Delete. I actually even kept the articvle, but then while trying to improve it realized that Jurgensen only competed in the qualifying round of the World Championship, and did not make it to the short skate. WP:ATHLETE has a special provision for figure skaters, which details the competitions sufficient to create notability. In particular, it says that participation in the World Championships is sufficient, unless this is just qualifying round. I do not have any other indications that Jurgensen is notable, hence the articla must be deleted. Sorry for the mess.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:57, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
::Overtime, then. Ha ha. So when they say "preliminary round", that's the qualifying round, or the first round of finals? Stalwart111 09:37, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
::: That was actually the reason why I kept the article first. My understanding is that qualifying round is preliminary round (and for instance it is referenced in the World Championship article as such); there are no other qualifying rounds, and a skater from say Mozambique is welcome to come to the Championship venue, participate in the preliminary round, get classified last and so be it.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:41, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
::::ofcourse everyone participate in the qualifying round but it is still the world championships. I think you are stretching the standard for inclusion for this article too far.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:56, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
::::: It is very clearly written in WP:ATHLETE, please check the section on the figure skating.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:11, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
::::::Okay, that makes sense if the preliminary round is as you say. Do we know what event she competed in at the Four Continents comp? (participating in the free skate event is an inclusion criteria). Winning a national championships is also an inclusion criteria but she came 2nd and 3rd in the two years she competed. She also competed at two Junior Grand Prix events (though the criteria don't specify junior or senior competitions but I think the assumption is probably senior events only). Stalwart111 22:59, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::::The problem is we then start to break off of the purpose guides like WP:Athlete are actually intended to serve. Guidelines like that are meant to help us evaluate when an article is notable enough that it can be assumed sourcing does exist, even if it can't be found. If we start extending it to things like 27th or 33rd place and the Four Continents competition (a better result might mean something more in a competition like that, but we really can't go and assume that such a low placing will likely lead to coverage) we're not really proving anything at all.--Yaksar (let's chat) 00:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::::: Indeed, and junior events do not qualify.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, well I can't speak for others but there seems to me to be fairly solid agreement about what counts and what doesn't. I still think this is probably a pretty close case against arbitrary criteria (2nd instead of comp winner, for example) but the arguments presented are convincing enough. Thanks guys, for taking the time to run through it. I've changed my note above. Stalwart111 10:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- Delete per Ymblanter. The notability guidelines for figure skaters clearly do not apply in this case. It is therefore necessary that we have significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources, which we do not.--Yaksar (let's chat) 15:58, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- Delete WP:ATHLETE is clear that a qualifying round, even if for the world championships, does not guarantee notability. Ducknish (talk) 18:33, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- Delete Arguable grounds for WP:1E as well. As such, under WP:NSKATE #1: "Competed at an Olympics or at an ISU senior World Figure Skating Championships (Competing in a world championship qualifying round does not guarantee notability.)" Mkdwtalk 03:17, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
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