Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tay Dizm (2nd nomination)

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Previously deleted article. Speedy declined because admin says there are significant changes. Article made unverified claims of charting in the US, but Billboard says the artist never charted [http://www.billboard.com/#/artist/tay-dizm/chart-history/765182] and allmusic says the artist never charted [http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&searchlink=TAY|DIZM&sql=11:j9fuxqtdld6e~T1]. Lack of significant coverage by reliable sources. In short, fails WP:MUSICBIO Niteshift36 (talk) 07:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- Cybercobra (talk) 08:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

• Keep Has decent sourcing, I've tossed in another just today. No opposition to unverified claims being removed, but deletion isn't the solution here. GlassCobra 21:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

::*I see 5 sources. The standard blurb from Allmusic, an article from Billboard that would qualify as significant coverage in a RS, a college newspaper that mentions him in a single sentence, a link to the Source, which provides 2 sentences and a link to his video on youtube and a link to an interview of on a source with questionable reliablity. Even being generous......that's 2 links of significant coverage. So I'm not feeling real convinced about good sourcing. What about the other parts of WP:MUSICBIO? Niteshift36 (talk) 03:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 21:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC){{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tay Dizm (2nd nomination)||}}

• Keep He's a charting artist and has worked with other notable artists and is signed to a major record label. Str8cash (talk) 00:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

::*Where did he chart? Billboard and Allmusic say he didn't. Would you mind posting a link to it? Niteshift36 (talk) 04:14, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

• Keep: Those songs did chart; when I was researching Billboard for this article I was able to dig up the chart statistics from Billboard's searchable database. However, Billboard revamped its website...removing the database in the process. The links that verify the chart positions have died and are nowhere to be found anymore. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 01:56, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

::*Allmusic keeps track of Billboard charting....even from charts that no longer exist. They're showing nothing. I can't find anything verifiable. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:00, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

• Note to closing admin: 2 of the keep !votes state the song charted, but nobody can provide a reliable source to verify that. Article also makes an unsourced claim of charting, but again, no reliable sources to support that claim.Niteshift36 (talk) 03:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
• But you don't understand that allmusic doesn't have every statistic!!!! That's my point about the searchable database. Billboard took it offline a few weeks ago and thus a lot of accurate info is suddenly unverifiable! Andrewlp1991 (talk) 04:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

:*I'm not relying totally on allmusic.......2 major sources, neither one have it. Nobody had anything in 2008 to get the article past notability then. But in the past year, he's obtained notability and both major sources lost not just one, but 2 songs that were supposed to have charted on two different charts? Put yourself in my place...and see if you'd be asking how someone could be voting to keep based on something we can't verify. Niteshift36 (talk) 06:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

::*Well here's a Google cache [http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:V5RCKgJrDSwJ:www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/searchResult.jsp%3Fexp%3Dy%26Ne%3D8%26an%3Dbbcom%26nor%3D10%26N%3D37%2B4293093873+%22tay+dizm%22+%2B%22Beam+me+up%22+site:billboard.com&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us evidence] of charting, if that satisfies you. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 18:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

:::*On which chart? Not the Top 200, not the R&B/Hip Hop and not the Hot 100? Which chart are we talking about? Niteshift36 (talk) 18:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

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