Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taylor Walker Pubs

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Non notable pub chain, PROD declined by admin as "unsure", fails WP:CORP Jezhotwells (talk) 08:49, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. -- Jezhotwells (talk) 08:50, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

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• Keep. The chain is well known in the UK. But the descriptions of individual pubs should be deleted - probably copyvios anyway. — RHaworth {{toolbar|separator=dot|talk | contribs }} 09:25, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

::But the question is how does it meet the criteria of WP:CORP? Jezhotwells (talk) 10:54, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

• Redirect to Punch Taverns until someone wants to improve this. I'm sure a chain of 106 pubs in notable, but the whole article is such a complete spamvert the only thing worth preserving is the first sentence. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 10:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

::REdirect would be a good outcome. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:54, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

• Keep The assertion of non-notability is unsupported by evidence and is false. See [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NB8NAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA322 The Brewing Industry], for example. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:36, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

::Your reference is to a London brewery called Taylor, Walker and Co, which ceased operations in 1960 and changed its name to Ind Coope (East Anglia) in 1960. Taylor Walker Pubs is one of many pub-cos owned by Punch taverns. What we are looking for is evidence of the notability of Taylor Walker Pubs, not spurious statements like "The assertion of non-notability is unsupported by evidence and is false." Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:11, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

:* Then Ind Coope became Allied Breweries which then became Carlsberg Tetley which then licensed the brand to Punch which now claims continuity back to 1730. This is all well documented by numerous sources so there is no case for deletion and your assertions otherwise still lack any evidence. Colonel Warden (talk) 21:09, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

::You appear not to be able to distinguish between a brewery, which is a place beer is made, and a chain of pub / restaurants which is where beer and food are consumed. It is clearly not possible to prove that any subject is not notable, but the lack of any reliable sources for the notability of Taylor Walker Pubs indicates that this pub chain is not notable. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:40, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

:::* Breweries commonly had chains of tied pubs to sell their beer and both the brewery sites and pubs would be subject to merger, development and closure in the course of business and corporate development. We have nearly 300 years of history to document here. Our editing policy is to take this material and develop it further. Colonel Warden (talk) 22:07, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

::::* The problem with this argument is that there is next to no connection between the historic brewery and the modern brand of pubs. All that happened is that a modern pub chain acquired the brand name of a defunct company. The historic brewery is probably notable, but that information belongs in an article about that brewery. Anyway, in my opinion that's not really the issue. Taylor Walker Pubs can probably qualify as notable simply down to its size - the problem is that the content is so ad-ridden there is nothing worth preserving at the moment. If you or anyone else wants to rescue this I'll be happy to reconsider. (Brewers Fayre is an example of an article that I !voted and keep/merge because of a suitable amount of non-ad content.) Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 08:14, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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