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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terror Titans

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Whether or not to place a redirect is an editorial decision.  Sandstein  08:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

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Article about a non-notable fictional 'team'. It consists entirely of a plot summary, unfounded speculation about the nature of the characters (At least two may well be the same characters, and not successors), and the only non-comic citation uses a solicitation about a possible upcoming event, thus a speculative cite. The characters are non-notable, and represent a single story arc which lacks real world critiques and citations about its importance. ThuranX (talk) 01:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete or redirect to Teen_Titans#"Terror_Titans", which already gives more detail than this article. – sgeureka t•c 05:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
  • If deleted, redirect to Teen Titans#"Terror Titans" as plausible search term, so that people looking up the phrase are taken to where the information is. No stance on actual deletion. -- saberwyn 09:09, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
  • comment the above linked section no longer exists. The Teen Titans article suffered from a brutal overload of plot prose, and seeing that, through this debate, i shaved a bunch down. I'm working on what little needs merging now. ThuranX (talk) 15:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Would there be an appropriate section of the publication history to redirect to instead? -- saberwyn 21:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Just the fictional history. it's a short story arc, and completely non-notable relative to the real world. I've shaved it to about two paragraphs in the context of the overall series history, and that's plenty. ThuranX (talk) 04:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Redirect per the nominator--that's what he's really asking for. DGG (talk) 15:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Mmm... the fresh taste of words in my mouth. No, I'm looking for a deletion. That's why I came to WP:AFD. ThuranX (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep per What Wikipedia is and Wikipedia:Five pillars (notability to a real-world audience, consistent with a “specialized encyclopedia” concerning verifiable fictional topics with importance in the real world). The key when looking for out of universe sources on Google is not simply type in "Terror Titans," but to also include a word like [http://www.google.com/search?q=Terror+Titans+interview&hl=en&sa=2 interview], which helps to find the out of universe context that can be used to add sectins on character creation. Sincerely, --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 17:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Response Le Grand has added the same boilerplate to every fiction deletion going. No one has added such context, nor is it still particularly notable. ThuranX (talk) 19:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
  • All the more reason for you to try Wikipedia:SOFIXIT by using the information found on such searches. --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 20:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
  • You spam, so I should fix it? Why don't you fix it? ThuranX (talk) 20:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
  • You should fix it per User:Fresheneesz/Don't Destroy. And I have begun [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terror_Titans&diff=223594989&oldid=222772613 revising] the article in question. There's no reason to outright delete something that at worst could be redirected anyway. Sincerely, --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 20:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
  • You want it saved so bad, you go fix it. Not my job to fix every shittastic article that comes up on AfD, especially fancruft. And I couldn't give a turd about a non-policy inclusionist essay if I squeezed hard. How about WP:NOTYOURFUCKINGSLAVE? ThuranX (talk) 21:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Because it's a cooperative project on which we should help each other out. Plus, please Wikipedia:Do not call things cruft. --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 21:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Why would anyone want to Delete without a redirect--that would mean that someone coming here wouldnt even find out what fiction it belonged to. DGG (talk) 20:40, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
  • i think a better question is why would you tell me what I want? I'm not fighting against a redirect, it makes sense, but that's not how I nom'd it, and I don't appreciate you telling me what I really want. ThuranX (talk) 22:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom's excellent analysis. His points are comprehensive and detail almost exactly what I would say, so there is no need for me to essentially copypaste his nomination here. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 20:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Please note WP:PERNOM. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • WP:PERNOM? Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 04:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • he's saying your vote doesn't count because you said you agree with me. That you took the time to make clear that you thoroughly read my reasoning and agree, to him, only makes it worse. ThuranX (talk) 04:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Oh I know, but thanks. I've encountered Le Grand before in numerous AFDs, and I wanted him to explain PERNOM and how it applies to my !vote in his own words since he has a tendency to just throw guidelines/essays around when they don't apply. Unfortunately though, he will likely reply with another misleading, vague, offtopic, and/or terse statement complete with more links designed to frustrate editors and bait them into arguments. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 05:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - The topic is not covered in reliable sources, so it is unnecessary to cover it within its own article. TTN (talk) 18:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Because the topic is covered in reliable [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Terror+Titans sources] is why it is necessary to cover this legitimate search term in its own article or merge and redirect without deleting. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 18:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Material can equally well be applied to the relevant section in the Teen Titans article, without ridiculous undue weight issues. There's hardly enough material there to validate this fancrap (since calling things fancruft is bad). ThuranX (talk) 18:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • If the section be included in a relevant section of the Teen Titans article we would redirect without deletion as keeping contribution history public is useful for RfAs. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 21:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - this is the comic book version of WP:BLP1E --T-rex 04:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Fortunately there is no equivalent policy for comic books. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 05:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete this is all she wrote for sourcing: [http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&rls=ig&q=%22terror%20titans%22%20-wikipedia%20-wordpress%20-newsarama%20-board%20-boards%20-comicvine%20-blog%20-forum&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn google news]. [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=ig&q=%22terror%20titans%22%20-wikipedia%20-wordpress%20-newsarama%20-board%20-boards%20-comicvine%20-blog%20-forum&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nw Google]. I'm not including google books because the search returns only things unrelated to this topic. If someone can find a reliable, independent source in that bin of usenet, blogs and db's, they are welcome to. But as it stands it is pretty thin gruel. And by pretty thin gruel let me be perfectly clear. there isn't a reliable source in the lot that I've seen so far. As usual, I would be happy to be wrong and have there be some reliable source in there that I've missed. If someone finds one and either adds it to the article or posts it in this discussion I'll help save the article. Protonk (talk) 05:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.