Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Willcox

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Blatant advertisement for a possibly notable subject, full of fulsomeness like completely refurbished charming hotel, remnant of a fabulous era. Decided to bring it here rather than speedy. Orange Mike | Talk 01:42, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

• Keep Listed in "1,000 places to see in the USA and Canada before you die By Patricia Schultz" and more than a couple other books. Over 100 year old hotel with a lot of history, a historical landmark, was host to FDR, etc. The article definitely needs tagging, cutting and general work, but the subject matter is notable and poor content isn't a reason to delete. Dennis Brown (talk) 01:52, 1 April 2011 (UTC)*'''
• keep I would like to throw myself on the mercy of the court. I've just never done this before and it was much more difficult than I expected. I haven't figured out how to do some of the required things. I'm freelance writer and this is an exerpt from a story I did about my hometown. I'll happily take out the frills if they seem like advertisement ... completely refurbished, etc. ... The reason for most of that is that the place was abandoned for 25 years and the refurbishment restored one of Aiken, S.C.'s most cherished icons. I would welcome whatever suggestions I can get on how to fix the inadequacies of the article to save it. Also, when I pasted it in, the second half didn't affix. That is a list of about fifty highly prominent people from the first half of the 20th Century who stayed there, with short biographies of about 25 of them, including: The Winston Churchills, Count and Countess Bernadotte of Sweden spent their honeymoon at the Willcox, John Jacob Astor, Evelyn Walsh McLean (owner of the Hope diamond), makeup queen Elizabeth Arden, singer Andy Williams, dancer Irene Castle, Doris Duke, Bing Crosby, John Jacob Astor, IV, New York Governor W. Averill Harrimn, W.R. Grace, both Teddy and Fraklin Roosevelt (Lucy Mercer Rutherfurd lived about a mile away) and many more. I'll do whatever someone can teach me to save the article. Thank you, Stephen D. Hale, Haleifiknow (talk)
• comment As with any article, it has to be written from an independent point of view. In the case of this article, it would be difficult (but not impossible) for you to do so because you are so close to the subject matter. Keep in mind that the goal is provide information about what makes the subject notable, ie: historical references and such. How "great" it is doesn't matter, as that information is not encyclopedic. You might take a look at similar properties for inspiration, and read up on the actual guidelines on what notability means to Wikipedia. Remember, if you are promoting any aspect of the hotel, that isn't encyclopedic. It actually sounds like a perfectly fine article to cut your teeth on, the key is to find references in mainstream publications and books, and incorporate those into the article. Just stand back a bit when writing it, as if you don't have any emotional ties to it. Good luck. Dennis Brown (talk) 22:26, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
• Comment - Famous guests don't matter; notability is not contagious; it cannot be "caught" by interacting with a notable entity. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:05, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
• Keep and rewrite from the neutral point of view. These sources can be used as references: [http://books.google.com/books?id=TvPsj_vdaOgC&pg=PA376&dq=%22The+Willcox%22+Aiken&hl=en&ei=PnKWTbnOIavWiAK06JGdCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CEEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Willcox%22%20Aiken&f=false], [http://books.google.com/books?id=8lo41z8kowQC&pg=PA298&dq=%22The+Willcox%22+Aiken&hl=en&ei=PnKWTbnOIavWiAK06JGdCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&sqi=2&ved=0CFcQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Willcox%22%20Aiken&f=false], [http://books.google.com/books?id=LlUYAQAAMAAJ&q=%22The+Willcox%22+Aiken&dq=%22The+Willcox%22+Aiken&hl=en&ei=PnKWTbnOIavWiAK06JGdCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&sqi=2&ved=0CF4Q6AEwBw], [http://books.google.com/books?id=DNACAAAAMBAJ&pg=RA1-PA222&dq=%22The+Willcox%22+Aiken&hl=en&ei=3HOWTYn-O4fKiAKPwoGdCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDYQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Willcox%22%20Aiken&f=false], [http://books.google.com/books?id=zj2PDsG-oPMC&pg=PA73&dq=%22The+Willcox%22+Aiken&hl=en&ei=RHSWTZiZKezWiALUvMWdCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBDgU#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Willcox%22%20Aiken&f=false] Cullen328 (talk) 00:59, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
• Comment There is this editing thing that some people can do, which can fix the content of articles. It is required that rationales mean something, such as N or RS would be, when applied to this article. And OrangeMike? You say on your user page, and I believe you, that you are concerned about storage space. [http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pfjIQrTbpVkaIStok1hWAdg&hl=en#gid=5 So take a look at this]. Articles are not the problem. Media is not the problem. Edit histories aka revisions are the problem, by a 40 to 1 ratio. If you want to put a dent in WP data storage hogs, get articles locked and bots blocked. Deleting articles will not help much. Anarchangel (talk) 10:42, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Carolina-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:09, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:10, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

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