Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tia Ling (2nd nomination)

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Biography of porn performer. Fails WP:PORNBIO and WP:GNG. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 06:06, 24 February 2013 (UTC) Delicious carbuncle (talk) 06:06, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

:Note that I have reduced this to a stub, because the only source was an interview on someone's LiveJournal, which is not an appropriate source for a BLP. The version prior to my nomination for deletion is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tia_Ling&oldid=540014380 this one]. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 06:13, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

::Note that I have "unstubbed" the referenced article. There are plenty of external links at the bottom of the article that substantiate the details provided in the article. I merely picked one link for some references, for now. I do not wish to engage in an edit war here, and if this article ends up being deleted again (some 6 or so years later), then so be it. Guy1890 (talk) 06:34, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

:::And I have stubbed it again. Please read WP:BLP if you have not already. IMDB and such are fine as sources for listing movies in which a performer has appeared, but are not considered reliable for information on a living person. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:08, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

::::Unbelievable. For the record, I didn't just make up all of the information that was originally contained in this article and has now been summarily deleted for the second time. The information came from multiple sources that verified it. Again, I am not going to start an edit war here. The only other thing that I will say in the article's defense is that if an article is good enough to be included on the Portuguese version of Wikipedia (http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tia_Ling), then it should be good enough for the English version here. Guy1890 (talk) 19:50, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

:::::You obviously haven't bothered to read any of the links that I have provided. It would be disturbing that an editor who has been here since 2008 is so unfamiliar with WP policies, but I stopped being surprised by that a long time ago. 20:00, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

::::::I'm not here to debate Wikipedia policy with you or anyone else. Whether one thinks highly or not so highly of the rules of Wikipedia is irrelevant. Guy1890 (talk) 20:07, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

:::::::We're not debating policy. I have no idea what you are basing your arguments on, but it's not WP policy. In theory, that is what determines outcomes here, so you might want to think about that if you intend to keep editing. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:16, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

• Delete. Even with the removed blog-sourced content in place, I don't see notability even asserted. Fails PORNBIO without awards. Fails GNG without substantial reliable source coverage. • Gene93k (talk) 18:45, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
• Delete, maybe salt, not even close to be notable per our standards. Cavarrone (talk) 19:30, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
• Delete. No reliable sources for a BLP; not even an assertion of notability. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:32, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
• Delete. Guy1890, while what the article says does appear to be true, she doesn't come close to passing WP:PORNBIO because she has never even been nominated for an award (I Googled for possible award wins or noms and found nothing). Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 08:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

::She & Keeani Lei ([http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeani_Lei], [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeani_Lei], [http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeani_Lei], [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeani_Lei]) won something called the "2010 Scene of the Year" in the 4th Annual APH Awards (for something called "Cum Fu's 'Good Fortune'")[http://www.raincoatreviews.com/community/threads/tia-ling.2849/page-100], which is an award that I quite frankly have never heard of before. Guy1890 (talk) 21:02, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

:::Using other Wikipedia articles as sources really don't do much good; and as far as the APH award, I followed that link and it led to a message board, where the award appears to have been created by the same user(s) that created the board. With all due respect, what exactly aren't you understanding here? Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 07:21, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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