Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timothy J. Edens

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Non notable soldier who lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. Celestina007 (talk) 08:27, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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• Keep. General officers are notable per WP:SOLDIER. And they have always been held to be so at AfD. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:16, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
• Keep. Meets WP:SOLDIER part 2, "Held a rank considered to be a flag, general or air officer, or their historical equivalents." User: Jamesallain85 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesallain85 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
• Keep - Subject passes WP:MILPERSON #2 as a brigadier general. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 08:49, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
• Keep meets WP:SOLDIER Mztourist (talk) 15:33, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
• Keep needs a lot of work, but meets WP:SOLDIER. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:17, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
• Keep - my institutional memory is that we almost always keep articles about generals. A while ago (2010?) there was a debate about lower ranks. Bearian (talk) 18:47, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:SOLDIER#2; technically that guideline essay is subversive to GNG but that is never held to be the case in practice. Happy Festivities! // J947 ^(c) 21:29, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
• Clicking on the WP:SOLDIER link took me to the section so I didn't see the essay template plastered at the top of the page. I'll change my opinion to neutral on balance of it being an essay and there being much consensus that this is widely-accepted (maybe it should be changed to a guideline, that section). Happy Festivities! // J947 ^(c) 20:02, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
• Keep: As per nomination Kitaab Ka Kida (talk)
• Delete The above comments are puzzling. What sources actually demonstrate that this person is notable? (noting that WP:SOLDIER is an essay). From Googling his name, he's attracted virtually no coverage outside of US military websites. The modern US military has large numbers of generals, and not all attract any interest outside of it. Edens' most prominent role seems to have been Commanding General and Director of Army Safety at the U.S. Army Combat Readiness/Safety Center which is obviously not a very high-profile role outside of the Army. Nick-D (talk) 22:09, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
• It's an essay that is almost invariably accepted as a notability standard by those writing military bios on Wikipedia. Generals are notable. This is a longstanding and accepted standard. So nothing puzzling about it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:19, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
• That's not actually the case - the recent discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Archive 152#Commodores and brigadiers revealed that a lot of editors who specialise in military history topics don't consider 1 star generals particularly notable. Moreover, WP:SOLDIER doesn't say that generals are automatically notable - it tates that "It is presumed that individuals will almost always have sufficient coverage to qualify" if they're a general, not that generals are automatically notable. From searching, I couldn't find independent sources to establish notability here. I'd ask that you and the editors who voted keep demonstrate the references which they think establish notability, and this should help to develop this article. Nick-D (talk) 02:11, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
• Keep. Passes WP:SOLDIER. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NahalAhmed (talk • contribs) 20:46, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

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