Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Stienstra

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The requirement is for reliable for sourcing not perfect sourcing. There has never been a principle that "weak sourcing" is a valid argument for deletion of an article, even a BLP. There is some confusion because it can be an argument for the deletion of controversial or negative material, and therefore of a BLP where that is the only significant content. DGG ( talk ) 02:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

=[[Tom Stienstra]]=

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Dubious notability of minor writer of guidebooks; seems to fail under :WP:BLP1E, leading to undue emphasis on his pot bust. Orange Mike | Talk 23:25, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

:Keep, The writer is a syndicated columnist for the SFGate with several outdoor writing awards. http://www.moon.com/author-q-a/outdoor-adventure-tom-stienstra, Tahoe News http://www.laketahoenews.net/2012/12/publicizing-hidden-treasures-can-be-costly/, CBS http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/05/04/tom-stienstra-outdoor-report-links/. He was the fourth living member inducted into the California Outdoors Hall of Famehttp://www.caloutdoorshalloffame.org/Member_Bio.aspx?Bio=Tom_Stienstra, and from his site which I'm trying to verify " National Outdoor Writer of the Year, “President’s Award, Best of the Best,” newspaper division, twice by the Outdoors Writers Association of Americahttp://owac.org/newsletter/tom-stienstra-wins-outdoor-journalism-awards-at-the-national.html. He is the only outdoors writer in America to win first place in OWAA’s Excellence in Craft competition for 10 straight years, and to win first place awards for newspaper, television, radio and photography in the same year. His national awards include from Associated Press, United Press International and Associated Press Sports Editors. In 2009, he won first place for best outdoors column in America. http://tomstienstra.com/about-tom-stienstra/"

:::the awards need to be recorded in reliable sources, Stienstra's website cannot be used to "verify" that he has won anything. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:30, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

::::I agree that's why I said I am trying to verify above that's why I had not included them in the article, but a simple search using the tools above clearly show he is featured in several newspapers and easily shows notability. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 03:20, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

:::::well, what it actually shows is that he comes up in google hits and claims on his site to be an award winner. but that is not WP:N. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:37, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Someone at the Sacramento Bee keeps citing him as a great last minute gift idea. [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SB&p_theme=sb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=106E4C44B1CC9DB0&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM 2004], [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=FB&p_theme=fb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EAE7E4D64CCBD53&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM 2000] - if that counts for notability. And it is that time of the year. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:52, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:52, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Keep Newspapers mention him and the awards he's won. Search for his name and the name of one of the awards to find coverage. [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Tom+Stienstra%22&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Tom+Stienstra%22+%22National+Outdoor+Writer+of+the+Year%22+&oq=%22Tom+Stienstra%22+%22National+Outdoor+Writer+of+the+Year%22+&gs_l=serp.3...3694.10686.0.10890.10.10.0.0.0.0.156.439.0j3.3.0...0.7...1c.1.wIMQeBvG-3Y&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=e617f1ef3d5ea6c3&bpcl=40096503&biw=939&bih=575] Dream Focus 00:07, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

::Search for his name and just "award" and you get hordes of additional results, like the ones before, are hidden behind paywalls, so you have to just read the Google search result summaries. A Highbeam search didn't give me anything worth mentioning. He has won awards and his books get some good coverage here and there. Dream Focus 00:40, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

:::WP:ANYBIO allows for " well-known and significant award or honor" not just "Student of the Week at McKinley Middle School". is National Outdoor Writer of the Year actually "well known and significant"? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:34, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Keep: Though not strong reliable sources, anyhow subject meets the requirements of notability. Here should be applied "ignore all the rules".Justice007 (talk) 10:01, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Comment WP:Ignore all rules never applies to a WP:BLP - weak sourcing indeed as per the nominator but the article and the undue section has been improved/removed - not a support or oppose just a comment - regards - Youreallycan 21:28, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

:Thank You and noted. Happy New Year 2013.Justice007 (talk) 21:49, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

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