Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tommy Detamore

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Unremarkable musician. Also seems to be highly promotional. No indication of notability under WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO.  InsertCleverPhraseHere  04:27, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

As an award-winning record producer, Tommy Detamore deserves mention in Wikipedia. He received the Will Rogers Award for Record Producer of the Year in 2008,http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WNq68NoUFIAJ:awaawards.org/%3Fpage_id%3D20+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us and produced and mastered numerous top-ten hits on the Americana and Texas Music charts, including the album "Touchstones" for James Talley, http://www.allmusic.com/album/touchstones-mw0000215305/credits Dallas Wayne's album "Songs The Jukebox Taught Me",http://www.tcmnradio.com/far/far204.htmhttp://www.elmoremagazine.com/2016/09/reviews/albums/dallas-wayne-2http://www.dallaswayne.com/JukeboxCD_TrackList.htm and the number one singles "Lucky Arms"http://www.allmusic.com/album/something-i-dreamed-mw0000212107/credits and "Your Heart Turned Left (& I Was on the Right)" for Jason Allenhttp://www.allmusic.com/album/wouldnt-it-be-nice-mw0000656342/credits. Updated to include specific number one song references --Aurinkojo (talk) 16:12, 3 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurinkojo (talk • contribs) 04:37, 3 October 2016 (UTC) Updated to include additional citations. Aurinkojo (talk) 02:58, 6 October 2016 (UTC)Aurinkojo (talk) 03:06, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Tommy Detamore engineered and performed on a Grammy-nominated “Best Country Instrumental” song, Bill Kirchen’s “Poultry in Motion”.http://www.cbsnews.com/news/complete-list-of-grammy-nominees/ http://www.popmatters.com/review/bill-kirchen-hammer-of-the-honky-tonk-gods/ --Aurinkojo (talk) 16:12, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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Delete There will simply need to be better 3rd party references to validate the claims above. Not saying these aren't legit credits, but lacking outside, 3rd party sources we cannot verify notability. The references provided here are mostly user generated/submitted, online databases, blogs, etc. that prove existence, but not notability. The sole valid one here is from the Austin Chronicle, but the article is about Doug Sahm, not Detamore, whose presence in the article is tangential. If someone can add better, independent sources in significant number I'll gladly change my vote. ShelbyMarion (talk) 18:24, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Keep As a record producer and musician, Detamore has significantly contributed to countless live and recorded performances, as verified by allmusic.com credits: http://www.allmusic.com/artist/tommy-detamore-mn0000612585/credits. He engineered, mixed and produced the Doug Sahm album "The Return of Wayne Douglas" http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-return-of-wayne-douglas-mw0000055612/credits, the quality of which is mentioned in this article http://newsok.com/article/2797420 as the reason that James Talley chose Detamore to produce his album "Touchstones" http://www.allmusic.com/album/touchstones-mw0000215305/credits, which reached the top ten on the national Americana music chart. He is very well-respected as a musician and producer by his peers. http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum15/HTML/006345.htmlAurinkojo (talk) 03:45, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

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Additional Third-party Reviews & Commentary:

http://nodepression.com/album-review/clay-blaker-rumor-town

https://www.austinchronicle.com/music/2000-06-23/77687/

http://nodepression.com/article/review-gary-nicholson-texas-songbook-bismeaux-2011

http://nodepression.com/article/notsxsw-2010-grilled-squid-kids-sheep-siberian-express

http://nodepression.com/article/brennen-leigh-music-texas-hill-country

http://steelguitarforum.com/Archives/Archive-000003/HTML/20011227-1-011047.html

Aurinkojo (talk) 02:58, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

::Brief mentions don't establish notability. Articles require Significant coverage from independent, Reliable sources.  InsertCleverPhraseHere  03:12, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

:* Yet none of these articles are about Detamore. Being name checked in print does not constitute significant coverage. You may be missing the point: no one would argue that he is not a talented, respected, sought after figure in his industry. That is true of many other people, as well. What is lacking are sources that indicate he is notable beyond the ordinary, per wikipedia criteria. A list of credits in Allmusic merely conveys existence. A Will Rogers Award for record producing is not a significant music industry award, per our criteria. A Grammy nomination could be considered notable if it were in one of the major categories. If he is indeed notable it should be easy to find numerous third party media about him, not merely the projects he has worked on or people he is associated with. ShelbyMarion (talk) 13:51, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

• Delete. Fluffy, sources brought up here are not acceptable. Drmies (talk) 23:51, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
• Keep - originally I was going to !vote otherwise, based on being "just" a producer, but then I looked at his credits. He has quite the list of appearances as a studio musician, playing (steel) guitar for such luminaries as Mickey Dolenz, Dallas Wayne, James Talley, Hazzard, etc. He is NOT your average studio musician. He passes WP:MUSICBIO. Bearian (talk) 21:26, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

::Under what specific criteria does he pass WP:MUSICBIO?  InsertCleverPhraseHere  23:42, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

• Delete, not notable. BTW, Aurinkojo is a vote-stacker and he created the page. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 02:27, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
• Weak Delete, I agree that the sources don't exactly fit what is required. In-depth coverage even by local sources would be better. The material from "Third-party Reviews & Commentary" could be woven into the article to improve it. I would change my !vote if the sources were a bit more solid, as he seems to have had a sustained career. Smmurphy^(Talk) 20:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

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