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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toyota Duet

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. No prejudice to writing an article in English about this subject. Since we're only deleting a garbled machine translation, we're not losing much here,  Sandstein  08:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

=[[Toyota Duet]]=

:{{la|Toyota Duet}} ([{{fullurl:Toyota Duet|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toyota Duet}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

This unreferenced, machine-translated (but nicely illustrated!) confusion should be deleted--it has been tagged as requiring translation for more than two weeks, but nobody has taken up the task. The deletion would be entirely without prejudice with respect to any future creations of (reasonable) articles with the same subject. Bongomatic 05:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep A car model by a major maker like Toyota should be notable. The article as it is does give some information, besides being good for a laugh. It does no harm to anyone to keep.:-) Steve Dufour (talk) 07:15, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • What information does, for example,
    Only 5 door body, in the マイナーチェンジ 1.3 was 1.0 L is the most set L, were sold. Such comically on Ichihara Etsuko, and Sambei on TV ad,, also became a topic.
    give to an English-speaking reader, our target reader? This is machine-translation gibberish. Lack of notability is not the only reason that we delete articles, remember. We also delete them for being impossible to make any sense of. An incomprehensible machine translation, from which no sense can be made, is not useful to the reader, however notable the subject may be, or however humourous you may personally find it to read. If you think that there's information here, feel free to make a good stub that an English-speaker can actually make sense of. You now have 4 days. You already had 2 weeks when the page was listed at PNT. Uncle G (talk) 12:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • (Since you asked. This tells me that the car only comes in a 5 door (hatchback) model, most with a 1 liter engine, one version with a 1.3 liter engine. The car's humourous television ads were talked about in Japan. That is much better than no information.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve Dufour (talk • contribs) 2009-01-19 20:36:57
  • Guesses aren't information. Your guess at what it means doesn't match very well with the words. It seems to be ignoring some proper nouns, for a start. Not even you can work out what it was meant to say, it seems. As I said: gibberish. Uncle G (talk) 00:06, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
  • And, more to the point, if someone actually steps up to do something with the article, they can just refer to the original article on jawiki, rather than trying to make sense of this botched translation. Zetawoof(ζ) 00:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep and send to the translator. The article is about a notable topic that can be verified. It just needs cleaned up. Themfromspace (talk) 08:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • There is no "the translator". Everyone here is a volunteer. And this article was already listed at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation for two weeks, the standard and long-standing procedure, with nothing happening. We don't keep untranslated pages indefinitely. This is the English-language Wikipedia. Uncle G (talk) 12:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I didn't mean literally send it to an appointed translator, but just have someone knowledgable in Japanese translate it. And remember there is no time limit on Wikipedia. Themfromspace (talk) 03:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete (bucking the trend). This article appears to be derived directly from :ja:トヨタ・デュエット. It's been utterly mangled in machine translation; if we want an article on the car, it'd be much easier for a translator to start over with the jawiki article. Zetawoof(ζ) 09:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete. I did what I could to make the links work in the article, but it's impossible to get an article out of that mangled mess that's still left. Start over again through the proper channels, i.e., listing the Japanese wiki article at Wikipedia:Translation and waiting for someone to translate it. If either of the two people above want to keep it, please have a go at it and see what you can do with it. Policy at WP:PNT states that articles listed for more than two weeks should be sent to AfD and this one has been around for some time now. -Yupik (talk) 11:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete. Sure, the model is notable, and requiring cleanup is normally no grounds for deletion, but in this case the article is so mangled as to be virtually incomprehensible, possibly even a G1 speedy candidate. In its current state, the article is unsalvageable, and it has been listed at WP:PNT for more than two weeks. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 11:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Merge, it is indeed a Daihatsu Sirion with a Toyota badge, in which Daihatsu is owned by Toyota. As there are no real difference between the two, I say merge to Daihatsu Sirion. Donnie Park (talk) 18:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

::If you can find authority for this, it would seem to be a sensible solution. Bongomatic 06:51, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete. It has gone two weeks without a meaningful translation. WillOakland (talk) 20:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete Considering the points people have made I'm going to have to change my vote. I can see that this article will not be able to meet WP's standards of reliable information. Just leave Toyota Duet as a red link in a list of Toyota cars and someone will write a good article in English.Steve Dufour (talk) 06:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 23:48, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Daihatsu Sirion, which already has information about the car being also known as a Toyota Duet, and is acutally readable. DHowell (talk) 03:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

::The information referred to in that article is unsourced--not that I think it's controversial, but it should be sourced. Bongomatic 07:01, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Unsourced but uncontroversial material is better than some text that doesn't make any sense whatsoever, so I am willing to support a redirect. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 05:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I found [http://books.google.com/books?q=toyota%20duet%20daihatsu%20sirion this] in a Google Book search, but the book itself is unaccessible there. [http://cars.nzherald.co.nz/car/view/33smsr/ Here] The New Zealand Herald says that the Duet is "sold in New Zealand as a Daihatsu Sirion". DHowell (talk) 06:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep and clean up - current automobile model is notable. Needing cleanup is not a reason for deletion at any time. This article appears to have been translated either by programming or by someone who not exactly the strongest in English. If this is identical to the Daihatsu Sirion, a merge of relevant information (as recommended above) is not a bad idea provided that this is consistent with similar clones in other countries' vehicles (Chrysler did this often over the past 30 years; so did General Motors). B.Wind (talk) 17:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.