Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Travis Brown (racing driver)

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Non-notable racing driver. Even in the American stock car racing scene, the most we've really done is ARCA. There is no reason why we should make a standalone article for a driver in the Carolina Pro Late Model Series. Furthermore, there is no information, let alone sourced information on his social media accomplishments. We've got people like Doug Barnes Jr. (22k subs, late model driver) who don't even have their own article! I feel this can be a bigger problem, especially with ARCA. People who aren't notable are getting articles left and right (and I will say that I once contributed to this myself; I've since stopped and realized the problem). The entirety of the stock car racing project on here needs a rehaul on what is considered notable. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 04:52, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

:In addition, I want to mention that for this specific article, most sources are primary sources; such as PR releases from the team and Brown himself. Furthermore, based on a Google search on both "Travis Brown racing" and "Moonhead", almost nothing comes up; if any. I can find no reason why this deserves a standalone article. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 05:01, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Motorsport, Internet, and Georgia (U.S. state). Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:46, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
• Keep - Articles are based on their own merit; whether an article should be on Wikipedia or not is based not on WP:OTHERSTUFF like "This guy doesn't so he shouldn't either!" but whether the article meets WP:GNG. I have found two sources on this subject, [https://traxion.gg/sim-racer-travis-moonhead-brown-will-race-again-with-huffman-racing-in-2023/ Traxion.gg] and [https://www.essentiallysports.com/nascar-news-racing-fans-join-nascar-driver-in-mourning-the-tragic-loss-of-his-most-priced-possession-weeks-after-furious-altercation-shook-the-sport/ Essentiallysports]. I feel that these provide more than just WP:ROUTINE news coverage, especially the Traxion article. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  14:02, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
• :That being said, the article is a mess and should reflect that fact that he is more known for his Twitch streams than anything else. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  14:04, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
• :Similarly, I also propose an article move to Moonhead (streamer). ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  14:23, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
• Delete the sources identified don't appear reliable - difficult to tell the editorial standards of either - and the article fails WP:GNG otherwise. SportingFlyer T·C 19:29, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  20:03, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
• Delete - He does not pass notability of WP:NMOTORSPORT. Most late model racers are local, club, or amaetur drivers. Yes, there are some exceptions, but those individuals have usually done higher forms of motorsports such as NASCAR Truck Series or the ARCA Series. I agree with Ghost of Dan Gurney that Travis Brown is more notable as streamer, but even then I do not believe he passes those notability requirements either. Grahaml35 (talk) 19:51, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
• :Sources have been provided in the discussion, so this should not be focused about whether the subject meets any WP:SNG but about whether the sources meet WP:GNG or not. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  13:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:36, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: I'm willing to relist this once more to get some assessment of sources brought up in this discussion. Right now, it looks like this article is headed towards Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:36, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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| source = https://traxion.gg/sim-racer-travis-moonhead-brown-will-race-again-with-huffman-racing-in-2023/

| ind = y

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| rel = y

| rel_just = {{tq|Traxion is part of Motorsport Games and the Motorsport Games family of brands. All Traxion content is editorially removed from Motorsport Games video game development and created by a dedicated team. Sometimes you may see Traxion-created content disseminated across the Motorsport Network, for example, Motorsport.com and Autosport Magazine.}}

| sig = y

| sig_just = Provides in-depth coverage of the subject on top of covering news

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| source = https://www.essentiallysports.com/nascar-news-racing-fans-join-nascar-driver-in-mourning-the-tragic-loss-of-his-most-priced-possession-weeks-after-furious-altercation-shook-the-sport/

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = -

| rel_just = Although a bit sensationalist and tabloidy overall, it has an editorial structure and no indications of being a blog

| sig = y

| sig_just = Provides more than just WP:ROUTINE coverage of the subject with a few lines of background

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:― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  15:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

::Traxion still appears to be industry press - not necessarily a reliable source - and his racing team provided the images for the article, so I'm not willing to count that toward GNG - and you need multiple anyways. SportingFlyer T·C 23:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

:::Motorsport Network has in the past been used to establish notability of subjects related to motorsports, in fact it is one of the top sources for doing so. I'm not sure why all of a audden it's "industry press" and no good because of that. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  00:22, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Delete. The more substential coverage is limited to niche sources. gidonb (talk) 11:55, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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