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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/US immigration to the United States

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Star Mississippi 04:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

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No one seems to call this "US immigration to the United States", ever? We shouldn't be creating disambiguations for titles or concepts not described as such anywhere else. Fram (talk) 14:43, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. Not a valid dab page. MB 15:43, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment My experience demonstrates quality problems due to the volume of nominator's NPP actions. I suggest slowing down.

:* About this one:

::* WP:Deletion policy Nominator should move the page or discuss the objection to the article title on Talk:US immigration to the United States {{tq|Pages with incorrect names can simply be renamed via page movement procedure. Naming disputes are discussed on the articles' talk pages or listed at requested moves.}}.

::* References are not allowed in disambiguations and so the references at the linked pages must be used. This discussion really should be at the Talk:, but: Phrases such as

:::* "Undocumented Americans ... Having immigrated to the U.S."https://www.apa.org/topics/immigration-refugees/undocumented-video

:::* and "Acquisition of United States nationality through birth abroad to United States citizens"

:::* and "people who have spent most of their lives in..."

{{ Cite journal

| year = 2021

| volume = 16

| first = Juan

| last = Poblete

| pages = 123-139

| journal = Camino Real: estudios de las hispanidades norteamericanas

| title = Diary of an Undocumented Dreamer. Undocumented Vignettes from a Pre-American Life and the Heterogeneity of American Life

}}

:::* and "undocumented Americans coming over from Mexico and Central America"https://accredited-times.com/2018/06/15/cato-institute-now-hiring-daca-recipients/

::: are more commonly used, but they're much too long. The latter is also too specific. Also any A-word phrase is going to be somewhat incorrect because it encompasses the entire hemisphere so American immigration to America is not ideal. I am very open to changing the title in some way. Invasive Spices (talk) 10 November 2022 (UTC)

::::If there is no actual disambiguation needed between the two subjects, i.e if they aren´t commonly referred to with the same term, then no disambiguation is needed and this page can be deleted. If you have issues with my NPP actions in general or my knowledge of the deletion policy, then please start a discussion at WP:ANI. Just beware of WP:BOOMERANG in that case. Fram (talk) 18:30, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

::::* As the sources demonstrate they are commonly said to be the same thing.

:::::: "This is legally permitted entry to the country by a citizen"

:::::: "This is legally permitted entry to the country by a citizen"

::::: sound the same. Wikipedia can take a WP:POV and say that this is or is not true but we obviously shouldn't do that.

::::: My next step will be to talk with you on your Talk:. Why do you suggest I skip that? ANI would be inappropriate if I haven't done something like that yet and as you note that is a barely usable and toxic environment WP:ANI advice. Invasive Spices (talk) 10 November 2022 (UTC)

  • Delete both an invalid topic and invalid disambiguation page. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:23, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

:: Look who it is again. Editing warring over minor details of my edits for 71 edits nonstop,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Agriculture_in_California&action=history&offset=&limit=500] including [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Agriculture_in_California&diff=1108364868&oldid=1108136867 edit warring by making an arbitrary edit with a bot], and then suddenly you stopped on November 4.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Agriculture_in_California&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=1121901802&oldid=1119882516] What interesting timing. Why did you stop? Did something on November 4 make you like me so much more? And why vote against me here rather than there? Invasive Spices (talk) 14 November 2022 (UTC)

:::Paranoid ramblings are off topic and irrelevant to whether or not US immigration to the United States should be deleted or kept. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:52, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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  • Delete This supposed disambiguation page makes no sense to me. A better solution, if one is needed, is to make sure that there are mutual links on the two pages listed. I agree with NOM that the expression "US immigration to the United States" is not something anyone has ever said, and therefore it is not useful as a reference to the cited pages. Lamona (talk) 04:51, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete Maybe there is an interesting idea here, but if so, it would be better explained fully as an external blog post, or as a journal article, rather than hinted at through a disambiguation page on Wikipedia that no one will search for and which would only confuse people. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:11, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete This is even more ridiculous than Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Japan problem — it is pure bullshit, if not outright G3. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:53, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

:* G3? I assume you don't mean vandalism. What about this is a hoax? I've provided sources showing that there is popular confusion between the two. I just haven't provided sources showing that this is a good title. Invasive Spices (talk) 12 November 2022 (UTC)

:* A major religious leader, in legislative testimony, uses the phrase "their country".

{{ Cite web

| language = English

| year = 2013

| page = 35

| url = https://books.google.com/books?id=JvyaFgVU8DUC&pg=PA35

| quote = These young women and men['s] ... commitment to pursue some form of ... service to their country, like joining the armed services ...

}}

A legislator gives a speech (outside of the legislature, not related to the previous example) saying "This is their country."

{{ Cite news

| language = English

| access-date = 2022-11-11

| year = 2017

| last = Kugle

| first = Andrew

| url = https://freebeacon.com/issues/maxine-waters-undocumented-immigrants-this-is-their-country/

| title = Maxine Waters on Undocumented Immigrants: This Is Their Country

}}

And then there are the examples I've given above.https://www.apa.org/topics/immigration-refugees/undocumented-video

{{ Cite journal

| year = 2021

| volume = 16

| first = Juan

| last = Poblete

| pages = 123-139

| journal = Camino Real: estudios de las hispanidades norteamericanas

| title = Diary of an Undocumented Dreamer. Undocumented Vignettes from a Pre-American Life and the Heterogeneity of American Life

}}

https://accredited-times.com/2018/06/15/cato-institute-now-hiring-daca-recipients/

:: These two things are very commonly said to be the same. I certainly find no examples with the exact phrasing of the disambig's title, so I'm not going to defend any particular phrasing. However the suggestion that the idea is nonsense is demonstrated to be incorrect.

:: We should move to a different title. Border entry by American citizens who were born elsewhere and have never entered before is perfectly accurate but obviously... Invasive Spices (talk) 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  • Delete. Title makes no sense. Disambiguation page that is unlikely to be searched for. Stifle (talk) 11:08, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

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