Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukraine Solidarity Campaign

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No secondary sources, besides sparse one liners in Morning Star which is already not very reliable ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

:I've expanded the page to include more information and draw on more secondary sources, including from the mainstream press. This organisation is clearly notable given its significant support from trade unions representing tens of thousands of workers, as well as elected politicians. It also provides crucial information about how different political tendencies have responded to the war in Ukraine. For these reasons, I say we keep the page. {{Mdash}} Zcbeaton (talk) 13:48, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Here is my summary of each the non-primary sources in article and why they do not show WP:Secondary WP:SIGCOV..

1. Interview with founder of USC Chris Ford{{Cite web |title=International solidarity. How foreign leftists are helping Ukraine in the war |url=https://commons.com.ua/en/yak-inozemni-livi-dopomagayut-ukrayini-u-vijni/ |access-date=2024-01-15 |website=Commons |language=en}}
2. Article BY Chris Ford, founder of USC{{Cite web |last=Moloney |first=Christopher Ford, Mick Antoniw, John |date=2022-04-08 |title=The labour movement must stand by Ukraine: join our historic demonstration |url=https://labourlist.org/2022/04/the-labour-movement-must-stand-by-ukraine-join-our-historic-demonstration/ |access-date=2024-01-15 |website=LabourList |language=en-GB |no-tracking=yes}}
3. A brief passing mention that they admire USC;{{Cite web |last=Łobodziński |first=Wojciech Albert |date=2022-10-28 |title=Ukrainian workers fight on the front - and suffer from lack of political power |url=https://www.crossbordertalks.eu/2022/10/28/ua-convoy/ |access-date=2024-01-15 |website=Cross-border Talks |language=en-GB}}
4. Brief mention of USC and USC Scotland.{{Cite web |title=Ukraine’s Popular Resistance – Scottish Left Review |url=https://scottishleftreview.scot/ukraines-popular-resistance/ |access-date=2024-01-15 |language=en-US}}
5. Passing mention of USC{{Cite web |last=Jones |first=Alan |date=2023-04-30 |title=Train drivers’ union boss hits out over criticism of strike on eve of Eurovision |url=https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/aslef-train-driver-strike-mick-whelan-b1077883.html |access-date=2024-01-15 |website=Evening Standard |language=en}}
6. Morning Star (British newspaper) mentions that USC organised a demo, no more info{{Cite web |last=Friday |last2=April 8 |last3=2022 |date=2022-04-07 |title=Trade unions will stage a protest march and rally in Whitehall in solidarity with Ukraine |url=https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/h-150-trade-unions-will-stage-protest-march-and-rally-whitehall-solidarity-ukraine |access-date=2024-01-15 |website=Morning Star |language=en |no-tracking=yes}}
7. MP statement who co-founded USC{{Cite web |last=Editors |first=Labour Hub |date=2023-02-21 |title=The Ukrainian Question for Socialists |url=https://labourhub.org.uk/2023/02/21/the-ukrainian-question-for-socialists/ |access-date=2024-01-15 |website=Labour Hub |language=en |no-tracking=yes}}
8. Trade unionist supports USC; no elaboration on it{{Cite web |last=Antoniw |first=Mick |title=Welsh unions are supporting Ukrainian workers. We need more of this solidarity |url=https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/ukraine-russia-uk-trade-unions-solidarity-support/ |website=openDemocracy}}
9. No mention of USC, except one of the signatories{{Cite web |date=2023-02-16 |title=Letter calling for arms to Ukraine is dangerous, say peace campaigners |url=https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/letter-calling-arms-ukraine-dangerous-say-peace-campaigners |access-date=2024-01-15 |website=Morning Star |language=en}}

In short...I am not convinced that WP:42 has been achieved. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Social science and Ukraine. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting, please do not put your comments in the midst of the nomination statement.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

• Keep I think with the sourced expansion it is notable. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 16:39, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
• :Which one? I methodically went through the nine sources and why they’re insufficient for establishing notability ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 09:21, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
• Keep The additional sources have established notability.TH1980 (talk) 02:07, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Could the Keep arguments please specify which sources are sufficient, or explain why Shushugah's analysis of them is incorrect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 01:45, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Fails GNG and NORG. Source eval:

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class="wikitable" ! Comments !! Source
Primary, fails WP:IS	1. "Labour Movement Aid Delivered to Ukrainian Resistance". 22 December 2022. Retrieved 19 June 2023.
Primary, fails WP:IS	2. ^ "Support Ukrainian workers at the front!". Ukraine Solidarity Campaign. 7 March 2023. Retrieved 19 June 2023.
Interview with Chris Ford, fails WP:IS	3. ^ "International solidarity. How foreign leftists are helping Ukraine in the war". Commons. 4 October 2022. Retrieved 3 January 2024.
Article author is Christopher Ford, fails WP:IS	4. ^ "The labour movement must stand by Ukraine: join our historic demonstration". LabourList. 8 April 2022. Retrieved 3 January 2024.
One sentence mention, "In this area, I really admire the work of the Ukraine Solidarity Campaign in the UK, which has pushed many British trade unions from pacifist or pro-Russian to pro-Ukrainian positions", fails WP:SIGCOV	5. ^ "Ukrainian workers fight on the front – and suffer from lack of political power". Cross-Border Talks. 28 October 2022. Retrieved 3 January 2024.
One sentence mention, " The Ukraine Solidarity Campaign, and its sister organisation in Scotland, were set up to make the links between their struggles and ours and to win them practical support for their fight for survival. " fails SIGCOV	6. ^ Colin Turbett (September 2023). "Ukraine's popular resistance". Scottish Left Review. Retrieved 3 January 2024.
Name mention, "Mr Harper hasn’t – and we are members of the Ukraine Solidarity Campaign. Mr Harper isn’t.", fails SIGCOV	7. ^ "Train drivers' union boss hits out over criticism of strike on eve of Eurovision". Evening Standard. 30 April 2023. Retrieved 3 January 2024.
Primary, fails WP:IS	8. ^ Jump up to:a b "About". Ukraine Solidarity Campaign. 9 September 2014. Retrieved 19 June 2023.
Article about an event they had a leading role in "Saturday’s demo, organised by the Ukraine Solidarity Campaign and endorsed by five Ukrainian union federations, will see several British unions", nothing about the event because it hadn't happened yet, nothing about the org other than it was part of the event. Fails WP:SIGCOV, does not address the subject (Ukraine Solidarity Campaign) directly and indepth.	9. ^ "Trade unions will stage a protest march and rally in Whitehall in solidarity with Ukraine". Morning Star. 8 April 2022. Retrieved 19 June 2023.
Primary, "At this stage a number of us founded the Ukraine Solidarity Campaign and then over the years worked together on trade union campaigns through the Confederation of the Free Trade Unions of Ukraine.", the source also fails WP:SIGCOV, it does not address the subject (Ukraine Solidarity Campaign) directly and indepth	10. ^ "The Ukrainian Question for Socialists". 21 February 2023. Retrieved 19 June 2023.
One sentence mention "The Ukraine Solidarity Campaign has been instrumental in working with trade unions in the UK to develop closer links and to provide direct support to their brothers and sisters in Ukrainian unions.", fails WP:SIGCOV	11. ^ "Welsh unions are supporting Ukrainian workers. We need more of this solidarity". openDemocracy. 31 July 2023. Retrieved 2 January 2024.
Names two individuals representing Ukraine Solidarity Campaign in letter signature, fails WP:SIGCOV	12. ^ "Letter calling for arms to Ukraine is dangerous, say peace campaigners". Morning Star. 16 February 2023. Retrieved 19 June 2023.

:Nothing above meets WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth, {{reply to|TH1980}} or {{reply to|Shushugah}} could you clarify which sources you believe are independent and address the subject directly and indepth?  // Timothy :: talk  17:32, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

::@TimothyBlue I do not believe SIGCOV is satisfied and have similarly examined each of the present sources. But perhaps @Alextejthompson or @Zcbeaton could expand? ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

:::Thanks, I confused your signature in the comment with another when copying it, thanks for the proper pings.  // Timothy :: talk  17:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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