Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Upon This Dawning

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Fails WP:BAND. Group has yet to release their debut album, so throw a little WP:CRYSTAL on top. Almost all references are to their record label, Fearless Records. The one reference that is more than a track listing is all of three sentences announcing their signing to said record label. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 12:51, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 21:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 21:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

• Delete as per the zero in-depth coverage in independent sources in the (updated) article. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:21, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

• Comment - Please see The following in-depth coverage references. Two interviews with the band cited as sources in the article:

:*[http://www.noisecreep.com/2012/10/08/upon-this-dawning-interview/ Italian Language Interview]

:*[http://www.groovebox.it/interview.asp?idint=86 Groovebox interview]

:The Band Does not fail WP:BAND. They fulfill articles 1 and 10.

:New Information and references have been added that cite outside sources which are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician(10/9/2012)

:If the article is not sufficient I would suggest the Wikipedia:Article Incubator over deletion as a possibility.

:This article could meet inclusion/content criteria if given time; Sufficient reliable sources may be found, though they may not be readily available online at the moment.

:Achitchcock (talk) 00:02, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ΛΧΣ21™ 13:39, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 14:36, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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• Comment looking at the many new refs, most of them are to itunes or the band's record label. The only one that comes close is [http://www.noisecreep.com/2012/10/08/upon-this-dawning-interview/], which has a whole two paragraphs is text. My !vote remains Delete. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:12, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
• Many of the references are verifiable. I personally can't see the issue with most of the references being iTunes or the record label as those would honestly be the most verifiable for the information given. My vote is to keep the article.
  XyphynX9 (talk) 21:47, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

::We're judging the notability against the WP:GNG which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Neither iTunes nor the record label are independent of the subject. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:49, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

• Delete for failing WP:GNG and WP:BAND. Qworty (talk) 00:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
• Delete. Let's look at the sources:
• A [http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/upon_this_dawning_sign_to_fearless_records one-sentence article] plus video in AP, which I judge to be reliable.
• A [http://www.noisecreep.com/2012/10/08/upon-this-dawning-interview/ two-paragraph profile plus video] in noisecreep, which I judge to be less reliable.
• An [http://www.groovebox.it/interview.asp?idint=86 inteveiw] in Groovebox.it. Hard to judge how reliable this is, but it's formatted basically as an interview, which isn't quite a secondary-source since it's primarily the band talking about itself.
• A [http://www.musicalnews.com/articolo.php?codice=17428&sz=4 one-paragraph summary] at musicalnews.com, which I judge to be unreliable.
• Nothing comes up in a books search.
• Other sources cited in the article are routine track listings and news about its signing, none of which rises to significant coverage.

:Overall, I don't think we're quite at WP:GNG or WP:NBAND. It doesn't meet NBAND criterion 1 because the coverage is uniformly trivial even though there are multiple sources. I'm not sure where there's a possibility it meets criterion 10 of NBAND, as asserted above. They haven't won awards; they haven't even released an album. There's an element of WP:CRYSTAL here that also should be taken into account. Once they get going and attract some significant coverage, I think this can easily be recreated. --Batard0 (talk) 18:00, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

::*Batard0 said "they haven't even released an album" which is incorrect. They have released 2 full length albums. Achitchcock (talk) 18:42, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

• Keep passes WP:BAND because of:

:*"A musician or ensemble may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria" -

:*WP:BAND 5 -two full length albums,1 major label release , 1 independent label release

:::*On Your Glory We Build Our Empire (2009)

:::*To Keep Us Safe (2012)

:*WP:BAND 10 -performed song for a notable compilation album

:::*Punk Goes Pop 5 with "Call Me Maybe", originally by Carly Rae Jepsen(Fearless, 2012)

:* WP:BAND 7 - one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city

:::*one of only two notable Metalcore bands from Italy

:::*Category:Italian metalcore musical groups

Achitchcock (talk) 19:40, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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