Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Velocitron

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to an appropriate location (the consensus here seems to be quite in favor that, one way or the other, this topic is not an appropriate one for a full article). For the moment, the article will be redirected to List of Transformers planets. What and where to merge is left to editorial discretion. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 05:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

=[[Velocitron]]=

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Article on a fictional planet, unsourced for years, doesn't appear to have any independent notability. Black Kite (t) (c) 15:31, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Delete. [http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/800/800768p1.html this reference] from List of Transformers TV series doesnt mention it, and its a reasonably good reference. Two Steps From Hell has an album with the song "Velocitron" on it, an obvious if unreferenced homage to the planet. we also have [http://www.velocitron.org/ this site], making weird models, again an homage to mondo films and to the planet, just not explictly stated. search for velocitron planet transformers gets 338 ghits for pages with all 3 words, with at least the first 2 pages being wikis, etc. searching for velocitron and "new york times" shows nothing on the first few pages where the two terms are in the same page section, ie just a coincidence they are on the same page. [http://rsi.aip.org/resource/1/rsinak/v19/i9/p605_s1?isAuthorized=no this] shows the term in use, not in reference to the planet, as early as 1948. 38 google scholar hits show this was an established scientific instrument from then. The term appears in [http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=MK4erDK241QC&oi=fnd&pg=PA5&dq=velocitron&ots=txJg3aeb0v&sig=QuSpEiG5yvIe6R5-1IuDT9KIDzw#v=onepage&q=velocitron&f=false this book]. If these are the most notable uses on the internet for this word, i think we have a nonnotable article with information only relevant to the tv shows fanbase. in otherwords: Autobots!!! Transform, rollout, and delete!!!Mercurywoodrose (talk) 16:10, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Good research with Google Scholar, there. If this content does go away, you've made a case for a redirect to time-of-flight mass spectrometry, because those sources explain that the "velocitron" of Cameron and Eggers was later known as a time-of-flight mass spectrometer. Uncle G (talk) 16:49, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
If you are correct, i would agree that this term is more notable in this use than as relates to the cartoon, despite it no longer being in use. once notable, always notable.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Time-of-flight_mass_spectrometry&diff=380517658&oldid=380122344 this edit]. Uncle G (talk) 15:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Delete and redirect. That's some excellent research there. Reyk _YO! 19:41, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Keep: The Transformers is unquestionably notable. The standard for inclusion as a wikipedia article for elements within a notable fictional work is listed at Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). The element that is the subject of this AfD is verifiably important within the work, and the Real-world coverage of the subject (significantly demonstrated by the homage paid to this fictional planet in the song "Velocitron") also indicates that this article is eligible for inclusion. A Google search for the words “Transformers” and “ Velocitron” gives about 20,800 results. Breaking these down into “reliable sources” finds more than enough to justify inclusion (and no I am not going to list links to them all here, but just go look for yourself [http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Velocitron+transformers&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=Velocitron+transformers&gs_rfai=&fp=5b1fceef9c80000d here]. Inniverse (talk) 23:52, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Clicking that link gives a list of Wikipedia mirrors and other specialist wikis. Apart from the fact they're not reliable sources, none of the articles are actually about the planet - they merely say "X character comes from the planet Velocitron". Could you show us some reliable sources about the subject? Black Kite (t) (c) 23:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes it lists mirrors, but is also lists nearly countless other sites too. That meets the the criteria of Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) when the article is about an element from a notable work of fiction. Velocitron is a prominent planet within the Transformers universe, and the numerous mentions that "X character comes from the planet Velocitron" is verification of that fact. Oh yeah, and there's also [http://bleacherreport.com/articles/386867-best-and-suh-get-their-detroit-names this] as further evidence that "Velocitron" is sucessfully making its way into modern pop-culture. Inniverse (talk) 00:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
No, a lot of trivial mentions on random websites doesn't meet WP:FICT, which says "An element of fiction ... is presumed notable if it satisfies the general notability guideline." And the WP:GNG is fairly clear here - "...sources (should) address the subject directly in detail ... Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention". So, as I said, where are the sources that directly address the subject? (and the link you provided is a blog). Black Kite (t) (c) 00:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Nearly countless, eh? So it should be dead easy for you to cite … oh, say … three independent reliable sources documenting this subject in depth to prove the validity of your argument, then. They're easy to find, you claim. Prove it. Handwaving and not showing the what your searches turned up because "It's so easy." doesn't cut the mustard. If it is easy, no such vague handwaving would be necessary, and you could make a water-tight case with no effort.
"X comes from Velocitron." is a (fictional) fact that can quite happily sit in an article about "X", by the way. After all, it doesn't tell us anything at all about Velocitron. Uncle G (talk) 01:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Merge to List of Transformers planets, where I don't see it mentioned yet. Jclemens (talk) 17:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Merge to List of Transformers planets.Slatersteven (talk) 15:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Note: The article under discussion here has been flagged for {{tl|rescue}} by the Article Rescue Squadron, with no explanation as to why this article should be rescued and how that could happen (per ARS instructions). SnottyWong ^squeal 18:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Merge to Transformers: Cybertron and/or List of Transformers planets. Not notable enough for its own article. WP:FANCRUFT SnottyWong ^squeal 18:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Keep This article has been around for five years(4 years and 11 months actually). It was fine before, and its fine now. It was featured as a major location in one of the Transformer series, featured in animated episodes, and surely the comic book series as well. And a notable band named a song in its honor. Dream Focus 23:10, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Keep - Good detailed article on a major subject. Some references, and pleanty of potential. Why throw out the baby with the bath water? Mathewignash (talk) 01:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC)