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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victor Agosto

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. A merge discussion on the article's talk page is highly encouraged. Regards, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 13:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

=[[Victor Agosto]]=

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This is a case of WP:BLP1E. Agosto was totally non-notable prior to being arrested for and convicted of disobeying an order and has done nothing notable since then. Although his crime and trial were documented by numerous reliable sources, it is all still one event. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:11, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

::*While I am agreeable to the other one, this one doesn't make much sense to me. Agostos case was pretty straight forwards and run of the mill. I can't see anything notable about his case. He pled guilty to a minor charge, served his sentence and that was it. No larger implication. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

:::*I have changed my !vote to Merge with List of Iraq War resisters per Bonewah. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 11:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

  • Keep- Agosto is on the board of directors of a national veterans organization. To say he has done nothing after his release is misleading. The case is also notable because Agosto may be the first U.S. soldier to publicly refuse deployment to Afghanistan, something of great historical significance. Sheffield10(talk), 3 May 2010

::*It's not misleading because he hasn't done anything notable. If his service on this small org board of directors was notable, where is the significant 3rd party coverage of it? Just being on a board of an org isn't notable. The standard is significant coverage by reliable third party sources. Aside from the WP:ONEEVENT, Agosoto has not had that significant coverage. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:42, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

::*I think this nomination for deletion along with your nomination for deletion of Ehren Watada and others are clearly politically motivated. Why don't you nominate Selena Coppa for deletion, someone who really hasn't done anything notable? Sheffield10(talk), 3 May 2010

:::*So much for AGF, huh? No genius, they aren't politically motivated. I stumbled across one article and the second one was linked to it. Both were nominated because they are WP:BLP1E's. If you bothered to pay attention (instead of jumping to conclusions), you'd see that I'm amenable to redoing the Watada article as an article about the case (which is more notable) and withdraw the nom, rather than leaving it as a bio of a non-notable person. If this was "politically motivated", like your bad faith allegation says, why would I offer the compromise solution? So guess where your bad faith accusation can get filed? Niteshift36 (talk) 14:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

:::*It should be noted that you are the author of this article, so your motivation to keep could easily be called into question. Or maybe you're just pissed because I nominated another of your articles last month and it got deleted.Niteshift36 (talk) 14:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

::::*Riiight. The only reason you offered a "compromise solution" is that you realized the Watada article wasn't going to get deleted. As a member of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" (as shown on your profile) you would love nothing more than to discredit and hide the history of those who would challenge the wars and the military machine. Sheffield10(talk), 3 May 2010 —Preceding undated comment added 15:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC).

::::::*Get a grip. First, it's not "obvious" that the Watada article isn't going to be deleted. There is one delete, 2 keeps and one vote to the compromise. Hardly a mandate by any standard and the AfD isn't even half done. Now, if you bothered to pay attention (which you don't seem to do often), you'd know that the whole "vast right wing conspiracy" is a big joke that conservative laugh at. It's called sarcasm. Look it up. So now we know that you are one of those people who looks at a couple of user boxes and thinks they know everything. If I had a nickle for everyone like you on here...... Face it, you're a hypocrite for accusing others of a bias while denying your own. You can't see the obvious unless someone connects the dots for you. And, if you bothered to look at my history, you'll see I reluctantly voted delete on decorated soldiers that served their enlistment honorably and bravely because they didn't meet the criteria, which really tends to discredit your whole conspiracy theory. Might I suggest that you spend your time actually trying to show significant third party coverage of Agosto instead of thinking up easily disproven conspiracy theories? Really, you've done nothing here aside from say WP:ILIKEIT. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

::::::::The both of you should cool it with the name calling and stick to the merits of the AfD. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 11:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

:*I agree and have changed my !vote accordingly. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 11:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

::*I'm perfectly ok with that solution and would withdraw the nom accordingly if we could get a couple more !votes for it. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Delete. I'd consider only adding his name to the list because of WP:1EVENT.T3h 1337 b0y (talk) 04:11, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:26, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

  • keep on the basis of its likelihood of remaining a key event that will be part of the history of antiwar protest in the US. Do not rename, because the importantce is not his court martial as such, but his protest--which was a continuing event. DGG ( talk ) 00:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Keep - DGG gets it right. Continuing event(s), not a simple BLP1E, and if anything it can be renamed (even if I wouldn't recommend it). --Cyclopiatalk 22:50, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

::*Isn't a continuing event still one event? Niteshift36 (talk) 00:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

  • Keep - the One-event rule does not apply to events or persons who are continuing to be in news, history books, articles, court cases, etc.; renaming is not required. Bearian (talk) 21:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

::*Why doesn't it apply? The continuing coverage has been about the case, not the individual. As I said in another discussion, Katz v. US, which is a landmark case that has implications for almost every American, has been written about and cited more times than this case could ever hope to be. Yet the Charles Katz isn't notable. He never was. His name gets used in textbooks, court briefs etc. probably hundreds of thousands of times....but his "notability" is one event, his involvement in the notable case. Just like Agosto. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

  • Upon information and beleif, Charles Katz disappeared from public view and wanted to do so. Victor Agosto has become an activist. Some men have notability thrust upon them. Bearian (talk) 20:14, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

::*An activist, but not a notable one. Where is the continuiing coverage that isn't about his case? Take everything not related to his case out of the article and what do you have left? A non-notable guy. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

  • People here keep claiming that he is notable for his continued anti-war efforts, yet the article in question says next to nothing about that. I think the case for 'keep continuing events' would be better made if one of you would update the article to reflect the anti-war efforts that are claimed here. Bonewah (talk) 20:30, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Ditto, the article doesn't cite any notability past court-martial and discharge. Where is the continuing event argument coming from then? bahamut0013wordsdeeds 19:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Merge into List of Iraq War resisters, as suggested above. News coverage seemed to have died down, indicating he's notable for one event.--PinkBull 06:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.